Most who read about Sybill Trelawney don't disagree that she is an old fraud. So what if parts of the prophecy, like will be born at the end of July, were out of date. What if the prophecy was actually about...... Snape?

This is just a quick thought I had last night while reading HBP, so bear with me.

We know nothing of Snape's parents except his mother is Eileen Prince, his father was a muggle, and by the looks of it Eileen Prince was at school at the same time as Voldy. We don't know if 'defying' LV means defeating him at something, but it is possible that Eileen Prince could've got one over... or possibly three over... Tom Riddle at school... this could mean 'defying' the Dark Lord too, if you are an exceptionally cheesy thinker.

We don't know Snape's birthday, do we? However ironic that it is the same as Harry and Neville, possibly Snape's two most hated students, it is a possibility that it is near them as well.

And he has power the Dark Lord knows not... what I was thinking is this could mean two things. If Snape is double-crossing LV, he would have to use Occulemency (sp) against LV. Now, if LV knew Snape was having to use Occ. against him, he wouldn't be very happy, as he would know Snape was up to something. But since Snape is still with LV, the Dark Lord knows not of this power.

Secondly, it could still mean love. I read somewhere else that the Unbreakable Vow at the beginning of HBP is very similar to wedding vows. It is possible that Snape and Narcissa love, and therefore have power that the Dark Lord knows not.

And to think in OotP, LV picked out Harry instead of Neville, so the prophecy is definately about him. Now, most will think that because the prophecy said 'Harry Potter(?)' it is a reference to Neville as well, but this could be telling the reader more than it wants. This could mean that it still may not be Harry.

This may be utterly pointless and someone may bring up some evidence that means this last 10 minutes of typing was wasted, but I just wanted to point that out.

Hey RabC,
I was thinking along the same lines a while back...I was saying that Snape (who was born in January) was refered to as the seventh month (Prophecy made in June, seven months later its January)...but it says as the seventh month dies...(he was born on January 9th I think)...so it doesn't work

I was also thinking "the one with the power to vanquish the dark lord approaches..." literally meant someone is coming towards Trelawney and Dumbledore as they sat there in the Inn...which refered to Snape and Aberforth.

But since that time, I've come to accept that it really is talking about Harry.

This will help as well as...d'oh...can't find it...but its another topic I started called "The Prophecy 'Revised and Reinterpreted'" People shot it down or agreed...but I eventually came to the conclusion that its really talking about Harry

I dont think Snape 'loves' anyone with the possibility of Lily

he's a hateful kind of person and to make him love Narcissa (sp?) would completely go against his personality

I also doubt that he is able to love at all

Well RaB i think you might be on to something but what about marking him as his equal?

LOL, true Magical . Well i think that the prophecy is about Harry Defeatind Voldermort. I don't think that Snape has to do anything to do with it, yet he probaly does.

I mean why would JK write a whole book that kinda revolves around him?

true, why would JKR write an entire series around Harry then last minute make snape the 'key character'?

maybe snape instead, plays a key role in the defeat of voldemort? (this is assuming he's good, which I almost always assume )

Yes I agree with Harry_Potter_Fan, why would she do that? I believe ,however, that Snape will have a large key role in the next book that might help Harry bring down Lord Voldemort. I also disagree because, Snape was not marked as Lord Voldemort's equal, therefore disproving the prophecy. And even though many think Trelawney (no idea how to spell it) is an old fraud, she still has made some successfully predictions, such as the one with Surius Black and Peter Pettrigrew.

-Cain

I agree with Horace Slughorn . Snape will obviously play a big part in the seventh book because it is still not fully known whether he is good or evil. The prophecy was almost positively about Harry. Although Voldemort thinks hes the best and no one is equal to him, by attacking Harry that night, he unintentionally marked him as his equal, therefore giving him "the power the Dark Lord knows not"

Snape's Birthday is January 9, so he can't be the one in the prophecy. Furthermore, it was stated that he was coming snape already was there so that's another piece that doesn't fit.

the prophecy was about harry. before voldemort attacked the potters and unintentionally transfered powers to harry, the prophecy was about harry or neville. but after he made a choice, it was harry. destined for his doom.

snape couldnt have been the one who trelawney was talking about because in the prophecy trelawney clearly states that ".....the one with the power to vanquish the dark lord will be born as the 7th month dies...!!!" so that means that the one with the power to vanquish the dark lord was not in existence at that time and shortly after that, he was born so it really was referring to harry and neville and after voldemort's choice to attack the potters, harry became "the chosen one".....

No

I recently read on Rowling's website that the prophecy has to deal with only Harry. Not Neville or Snape but there really good theories.

Well, good theory but Dumbledore said that the prophesy is only going to become true because Voldemort made it come true. He marked Harry as his equal (the scar) which caused him to be the one that will overthrow the Dark Lord.

Voldemort could have easily gone after Neville making Neville the chosen one while Harry would have grown up happy with his parents.

Also, Voldemort could have left the prophesy alone and then there wouldn't be a chosen one. But, since possibly Snape told him the prophesy he chose to act upon it making Harry the chosen one. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, in reply to kid, Harry might have been born. Because after the prophesy was made, Dumbledore started to protect the Potters. He said that the prophesy was made to mean either Harry or Neville.

So, it can't be Snape plainly because Harry was made his equal.

~Filius~

Snape could not posibly be part of anything in the prophecy because the Dark Lord did not make him as his equal and Snape's parents did not defied him 3 times. Unlike Harry's parents how where part of the Order. Snape is to old to be in the prophecy.

I think that the prophesy has to do with Harry and/or Neville. But Snape could somehow be in the prophesy. I mean he is always around Harry and everything. Except when he overheard Trelawny predicting the prophesy. But I still think that Snape doesn't have anything to do with the prophesy.



*Sirius*

I can stop all roumors about neville bieng the chosen one! JK rowling has said in an online interview that neville is not the chosen one and harry definately is. Snape neville aberforth etc have nothing to do with it. I just wish people would accept harry is the chosen one so i dont have to keep posting this comment.

I can stop all roumors about neville bieng the chosen one! JK rowling has said in an online interview that neville is not the chosen one and harry definately is. Snape neville aberforth etc have nothing to do with it. I just wish people would accept harry is the chosen one so i dont have to keep posting this comment.

I don't believe it would be Snape. If it were about Snape, Snape would have known. He would have known that the prophecy was about himself when he overheard it. Snape wouldn't be fool enough to tell Voldemort about a prophecy if Voldemort may have thought he should kill Snape.

But this is the beauty about mysteries. They can turn whichever direction. Ones that were guessed correctly and ones that were completely off the wall.

This is why I love these books so much.

I believe the prophacy has something to do with Harry, as well as Snape. I believe Snape is evil but like I said I can be proven wrong. Who knows...NONE OF US DO

JK could be throwing us a around a loop for all we know.

That IS a good thought, but I don't think that the prophecy is about Snape. It does mean Harry and cheesy thinking doesn't help much reading JK's books! But good theory, good theory.

Alot of people have queried the Prophecy. Some people have come up with a good idea, it keeps mentioning the other, maybe theres a third party there thinking about it, you have Harry and Voldemort and the third party MAY be Neville as he was very close to Harry's destiny wasn't he.

all these are great theories.
but....the prophecy is only about harry and voldy.
voldy CHOSE to mark harry as his equal. if snape hadnt heard jsut the beginning, then ran off and told voldy, then this would have never happened. he didnt even hera the whole prophacy. voldy acted upon, with missing facts. (shame shame) lol this was said like a trillion and 2 times in tthe half blood prince. dumbledore, and jkr says this is true, so it must be. but it was a really good theory!

A little off the subject. How do I get one of those?

"it was stated that he was coming snape already was there so that's another piece that doesn't fit." -Paul

I'm a fan of 'the prophecy is about Snape' idea, and on that point, you're supposed to take it literally. It's not approaching as in about to be born, it's approaching as in coming closer. He was in the hallway, coming to the room, remember?
Also, the "will be born" statement was not a mistake, nor does it prove this theory wrong. This statement you're not supposed to take literally. Snape was a bad guy at the time, right? So he "will be born" as in born as a good guy.
Those are the ones I wanted to point out specifically. Here's the whole thing.
So.... "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches" - he was in the hallway - "born to those who have thrice defied him" - even though it is unlikely, Snape's parents could have defied Voldemort three times. A lot of things could be called 'defied.' Or, and I like this better, the "him" isn't Voldemort, it's Snape. He had a terrible childhood and it most likely didn't get any better, right? His parents 'defied' him, possibly? or, it doesn't have to be talking about Snape's parents, seeing as the "born" isn't literal. It could mean being born to the good guys, if you know what I mean. The "thrice" is a little off, but it is possible that there were three MAJOR times the good guys defied him. We're still not sure exactly what went on with the first Order of the Phoenix. Or, somehow, although I doubt this, it could be that the good guys defied Snape three times.- "born as the seventh month dies" - he is being reborn as a good guy - "the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal" - most definitely! Snape is really the only man Voldemort trusts. He trusts him enough to send him off to work for Dumbledore, and give him dangerous and difficult missions. Voldemort doesn't, of course, think anyone is better than him, but he considers Snape almost an equal in terms of power and skill. - "but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not" - hey, any guy who can convince both Voldemort and Dumbledore that he's loyal definitely has some crazy powers. Also, the one with the power to kill Voldemort could be assumed to have powers Voldemort doesn't see coming. And, Snape being a good guy now, there could still be the love factor. Snape now can and does love. - "and either must die at the hand of the other, for neither can live while the other survives" - well, that's pretty straightforward. Same idea. "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies..."

Hope everyone enjoyed this.