Who is McLaggan? Everyone was thinking that this new page jo gave us has to do with McLaggan, and I don't even know who he is.....so if anyone could telll me that would be fantastic!
Full Version: The Official 'character X' Thread
McClaggan is a new character that JK mentioned at the Eddinburough book reading (see her news for a complete transcript). That's really all we know, but it makes us think that we might have a description.
I never thought that the description could be that new character - good idea, I thought the description may have been of Godric Gryffindor because of the reference to a lion.
I was thinking it was McClaggen as well. I don't think that he is exactly Godric Gryffindor. Godric is over 1000 years old and well even wizards don't live up to that age. What I was thinking was that it may be someone of Godric's heir.
Uhhhm, lilboredshorty.. did you forget about the ghosts that linger around in Hogwarts (ex: Nearly Headless Nick, Peeves) .. so you never know if GG's ghost lingers somewhere else. It's the wizarding world, be more open-minded!! 
The description seemed to be more of a description of a solid or alive person (to me at least, although glasses aside, there are many ways that Harry could see Gryffindor... think a dream about Gryfifndor vs Slytherin at the start of book six, lol). I like the idea of it being McClaggan, but we can never really know until the book comes out.
I know there are already a few threads out there about this topic, but it needs and Official one. So boom. 
I'm pretty sure that everyone's found the Half Blood Prince excerpt by now, and if you haven't, you are dead. Anyway, here it is:
"He looked rather like an old lion. There were streaks of grey in his mane of tawny hair and his bushy eyebrows; he had keen yellowish eyes behind a pair of wire-rimmed spectacles and a certain rangy, loping grace even though he walked with a slight limp."
No word from JKR yet about this excerpt, so for now, we'll refer to him as Character X. (this is because when JK couldn't think of a name for a potion in the sixth book, she just typed X in its place and went on writing).
So feel free to share your thoughts on Character X -- is he the Half Blood Prince? My gut says yes, because it's looking like Rowling will only open the door ever 2-3 months, and if we have to wait that long every time, we'll get something big. An excerpt describing the HBP is big.
And before anyone says this in this thread, I cannot be more positive that this is NOT McClaggan, the 'new character' in book six Rowling talked about at the Edinburgh Book Festival. Let me just copy and paste a bit of my post from a few days ago on the main site:
I'm pretty sure that everyone's found the Half Blood Prince excerpt by now, and if you haven't, you are dead. Anyway, here it is:"He looked rather like an old lion. There were streaks of grey in his mane of tawny hair and his bushy eyebrows; he had keen yellowish eyes behind a pair of wire-rimmed spectacles and a certain rangy, loping grace even though he walked with a slight limp."
No word from JKR yet about this excerpt, so for now, we'll refer to him as Character X. (this is because when JK couldn't think of a name for a potion in the sixth book, she just typed X in its place and went on writing).
So feel free to share your thoughts on Character X -- is he the Half Blood Prince? My gut says yes, because it's looking like Rowling will only open the door ever 2-3 months, and if we have to wait that long every time, we'll get something big. An excerpt describing the HBP is big.
And before anyone says this in this thread, I cannot be more positive that this is NOT McClaggan, the 'new character' in book six Rowling talked about at the Edinburgh Book Festival. Let me just copy and paste a bit of my post from a few days ago on the main site:
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| A correction: It was mistakenly reported by several reliable news sources that Rowling announced at the Festival that there would be a new character in Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince named McLagan. The character's name is actually McClaggan. Also, Rowling's statement that she just found the surname McClaggan "the other day," and that "There is a McClaggan in book six because I thought that it is a surname that is too good to waste" was commonly overlooked by many fans. |
There is no way she just thought about who the HBP is "the other day." No way. Anyway, let the thoughts be shared on Character X.
//edit//
Before anyone says this either, I must mention: Character X is NOT a lion. No no no! She just said he looked like a lion because of his eye color and hair. Note that he wears glasses. Show me a picture of your pet lion sporting his new glasses, and then you have a case for Character X being a lion. Until then, realize that he is a man.
//edit #2//
However, yes, is it possible that this man is an Animagi and that his animal form is a lion. But he was in his human form when she was describing him, if that is the case. And no, this is not Crookshanks. Rowling already said Crookshanks is NOT an Animagi.
//edit #3//
Before saying it's Godric Gryffindor....do remember that Godric Gryffindor lived 1,000 years ago, and though wizards live longer than muggles according to JK, I think 1,000 years is about 800 years of a stretch.
Yeah, when I first read the quote I'd thought the character had been a cat. That was a couple days ago though, and since I've come to my senses and realized that the person merely *looks* like a lion, and is in fact a person. lol.
I'm leaning towards this character being either Godrid Gryffindor, or his heir. Either would make a great deal of sense, as would it make sense for him to be the HBP.
I agree that JK wouldn't have opened the door for this excerpt if it was not something very important she was to be revealing. and I also doubt that it was McClaggan, for the same reasons stated above. (I think McClaggan might be the name of the new DADA professor though... but that's just a guess).
I'm leaning towards this character being either Godrid Gryffindor, or his heir. Either would make a great deal of sense, as would it make sense for him to be the HBP.
I agree that JK wouldn't have opened the door for this excerpt if it was not something very important she was to be revealing. and I also doubt that it was McClaggan, for the same reasons stated above. (I think McClaggan might be the name of the new DADA professor though... but that's just a guess).
Lol, I felt pretty sure it was a lion till my sister pointed out he was wearing spectacles, and I was like "woah...you're totally right."
And about the Godric Gryffindor thing...read edit #3. Although an heir of Godric remains a possibility, yes.
I'm getting the feeling McClaggan has about as much impact on book six as Dedalus Diggle. Since she's already halfway through the book, they've GOT to be at Hogwarts by now, and I think they figure out who the new DADA teacher is even before they get to Hogwarts (they always do:
book 1: Harry meets Quirrel in the Leaky Cauldron
book 2: the Weasleys and Harry meet Lockhart at Flourish and Blotts
book 3: they meet Lupin on the train
book 4: Moody is mentioned because of the "trash can attack" by Mr Weasley
book 5: Umbridge was at Harry's hearing)
And about the Godric Gryffindor thing...read edit #3. Although an heir of Godric remains a possibility, yes.
I'm getting the feeling McClaggan has about as much impact on book six as Dedalus Diggle. Since she's already halfway through the book, they've GOT to be at Hogwarts by now, and I think they figure out who the new DADA teacher is even before they get to Hogwarts (they always do:
book 1: Harry meets Quirrel in the Leaky Cauldron
book 2: the Weasleys and Harry meet Lockhart at Flourish and Blotts
book 3: they meet Lupin on the train
book 4: Moody is mentioned because of the "trash can attack" by Mr Weasley
book 5: Umbridge was at Harry's hearing)
She could have changed the name of a character to McClaggan because she liked it so much, or she could have just made up someone new... but that seems a little far fetched, because she already has most everything planned out...
I didn't say Godric Gryffindor wasn't dead, but that doesn't mean that we couldn't see him in another way... a flashback, a memory, a vision... you can't rule it out.
I didn't say Godric Gryffindor wasn't dead, but that doesn't mean that we couldn't see him in another way... a flashback, a memory, a vision... you can't rule it out.
A memory is possible, but as I've said before, the glasses....they just didn't have spectacles 1000 years ago...that is what bothers me about that theory....
they didn't have spectacles 1000 years ago, but they don't have penseives, moving pictures, omnioculars, or flying cars now
*points at wizards* THEY do!!! THEM!!! *giggles* Sorry, I'm tired, the extra lack of sense is coming out in me....
Well, maybe you're right, I guess...I still don't think it's GG though...
OMG JUST HAD A THOUGHT!!!
A young Dumbledore perhaps? Like, the bushy eyebrows, grace, glasses...prolly not, but that just popped into my head and I had a theory!! I never have theories!!
*edit, about 3 seconds later* No, wait, his eyes are blue, forogt about eyes....Bother, and I rather liked that theory....
Well, maybe you're right, I guess...I still don't think it's GG though...
OMG JUST HAD A THOUGHT!!!
A young Dumbledore perhaps? Like, the bushy eyebrows, grace, glasses...prolly not, but that just popped into my head and I had a theory!! I never have theories!!
*edit, about 3 seconds later* No, wait, his eyes are blue, forogt about eyes....Bother, and I rather liked that theory....
Well I'm not saying that it is definetely Godric Gryffindor that's being described, but I don't think we should be ruling it out as a possibility. It could be McClaggan but I still am doubtful, and I don't doubt that it could be Gryffindors heir at all. But yeah, still think that Gryffindor himself is a possibility. 
You're right pots13.. why didn't I think of it? The colors she described.. aren't the ghosts at Hogwarts somewhat transparent? Or is that just in the movies? If you know.. let me know.. it'll help me branch out a new theory.
I'm for Godric Gryffindor or as some others say, his heir. I doubt it is this new character McClaggan because she made it seem like he was just another ordinary person or maybe she was feigning his insignificance!! Hehe, it's possible.. she's quite cunning at times. Maybe, many people believe it is GG because of his connection w/ lions.. you know.. (Gryffindors, bravery, & such)..
I like that name for the unknown character in the excerpt 'Character X', haha!!
I like that name for the unknown character in the excerpt 'Character X', haha!!
Aarrgghhh!! Another thread!!! No!!!
Well, I think I've already written my own 'great paving slab of a novel', or at least its equivalent, in posts on this subject, so I'm not going to repeat it all here again, but let me just quickly (**tee hee** Irony is a wonderful thing) summarise my main points...
1. (Matthew)
Well, I think I've already written my own 'great paving slab of a novel', or at least its equivalent, in posts on this subject, so I'm not going to repeat it all here again, but let me just quickly (**tee hee** Irony is a wonderful thing) summarise my main points...
1. (Matthew)
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| Before saying it's Godric Gryffindor....do remember that Godric Gryffindor lived 1,000 years ago, and though wizards live longer than muggles according to JK, I think 1,000 years is about 800 years of a stretch. |
Yep, we know this. GG is dead. But he can still be the HBP. As I've said about a million times before, it is not written anywhere that the HBP has to be currently alive. He could just be a figurehead, an ideal...Harry could be seeing him in a dream, a pensieve or anything. That would be far more in keeping with JKR's style.
2. This is literature. Hence there are a whole lot of tools being used such as allegories, metaphors, similies and other colourful adjectives in order to create an impression of a character - hence the lion references. It does not indicate that the HBP is an animagus, a half breed or anything else. Everyone must have done this kind of thing in literature studies in school, right? If a person is described as moving like a cat, it does not mean that they're down on all fours.......or animagi....
3. Just because he is described as wearing glasses, that does not mean that he couldn't be GG just because glasses weren't invented in 1000 A.D. (I don't know exactly when they were invented, but I'll find out...'cos this point in particular is bugging me...I know that glasses (if not metal frames) have been around for hundreds of years though)
4. This is a magical world that exists in fiction, ergo anything is possible as long as JKR wants it to. As severely_severus said, they haven't got flying cars and stuff now either. Puh-lease people, this is in danger of becoming a Star-Trekky type minutiae argument about why the warp nacelles couldn't possibly have been used in episode #254 because it clearly said in episode #234 that they hadn't been invented until 2678....
You get my point.... 5. JKR released that excerpt for a reason. I totally agree with Matthew - she wouldnt have released it unless it ws important and relates to the last thing she released-the title of the book, hence, logically, it has to be a description of the HBP.
Phew! Okay...done it...said it officially...I'll go back to drinking me cup o' tea now...
BTW, if I am wrong (and I may very well be, I'm not that arrogant (
) I'm just considering the whole evidence as it stands), everyone please remind me what a stubborn old thing I was being right now and remind me that I said (somewhere ), that I'd quite cheerfully take everything back, eat all five books and take every single registered member of this forum to see GoF when it comes out.... (Erm...not really....but you know... )
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| Puh-lease people, this is in danger of becoming a Star-Trekky type minutiae argument about why the warp nacelles couldn't possibly have been used in episode #254 because it clearly said in episode #234 that they hadn't been invented until 2678.... You get my point.... |
I happen to know for a fact that warp nacelles were invented way back in 2519! tsk tsk... *shakes head in disbelief*
I think all your points were good, including the star trek one, no matter how *coughs* misguided it may be
Oh, and if I'm not mistaken I've read somewhere that JK said there was a graveyard on Hogwarts grounds (which is supposed to become important in the next two books)...
Even though Gryffindor is dead, it is possible (however unlikely) that he could also be brought back. Or rather, it's possible that ALL the Hogwarts founders (except perhaps Slytherin) are all waiting to be called into action, in Hogwarts time of need.
I'm not saying it's going to happen, as its most likely not... but it's still a possibility.
Man, oh man...have you been playing Zelda:Majora's Mask lately? .....Just in case you haven't (and for everyone else who doesn't know what I'm on about), at the end of the game, the four 'gods' come back to hold up the Moon to prevent it from squashing the town for long enough for Link (the hero! ) to save the world....Only joking, mate...
...Seriously though, that's not a bad idea. Maybe their ghosts will appear and speak to the school or something, particularly if Hogwarts is really threatened....**giggles about the Star Trek thingy** I keep seeing that bit in Galaxy Quest all the time now...the one where the kid asks Tim Allen about the Omega 13....I feel like such a geek now...
Galaxy Quest is an awesome movie. Haven't watched it for a while, but its funny cause people are really like that.
By Grapthar's Hammer, you shall be avenged!
And yep, most everything is a possibility. The spirits of the founders, if not the real thing. Who knows really... kind of crazy all the possibilities
By Grapthar's Hammer, you shall be avenged!
And yep, most everything is a possibility. The spirits of the founders, if not the real thing. Who knows really... kind of crazy all the possibilities
Back on topic!! I'm sure you could start a Star Trek thread and chat happily away.
Anyway I have a dog called Kess and a cat called Nelix so I can't talk.
Maybe it is a really young Hagrid. Maybe when he was pre-James and Lily at Hogwarts he wore glasses.
Mc Claggan probably has as much influence on the storyline or plot as I do.
Absolutely none!
Anyway I have a dog called Kess and a cat called Nelix so I can't talk.
Maybe it is a really young Hagrid. Maybe when he was pre-James and Lily at Hogwarts he wore glasses.
Mc Claggan probably has as much influence on the storyline or plot as I do.
Absolutely none!
hmm can it be possible that McLaggan can be the heir of gryffindor? i dont know. since pots13 said that the description sounded more like a solid person, and that the description sounded like she was describing a lion, then a descendant of godric?
(ermm acutally, is harry the heir of godric gryffindor? not sure =\)
(ermm acutally, is harry the heir of godric gryffindor? not sure =\)
isn't dumbledore always described with wire rimmed spectacles?
maybe its a brother?
maybe its a brother?
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee another thread that will postively last at least 10 pages by the end of the month! haha.
hold on, did jkrowling just mention the name, and play around with it, saying she found it rather interesting? if that's the case...she couldn't have possibly write half a book already and making this McClaggan the DADA professor, or whoever that exerpt was about. err wait...forget it. doesnt make sense at all...i'm posting this just in case anyone can sort this train of thought out, because i cant.
hmmm you know, if memory can be stored, does it have a expiration date? if it's no, then haracter x CAN be GG. Harry can dunk his head into some other pensieve that he stumbles on to, and see this memory of GG. ooooooh i like this. but i have no evidence. oh well...
hold on, did jkrowling just mention the name, and play around with it, saying she found it rather interesting? if that's the case...she couldn't have possibly write half a book already and making this McClaggan the DADA professor, or whoever that exerpt was about. err wait...forget it. doesnt make sense at all...i'm posting this just in case anyone can sort this train of thought out, because i cant.
hmmm you know, if memory can be stored, does it have a expiration date? if it's no, then haracter x CAN be GG. Harry can dunk his head into some other pensieve that he stumbles on to, and see this memory of GG. ooooooh i like this. but i have no evidence. oh well...
hmm...my brain is fried right now so i dont have any ideas but id just like to say that i really think it might be GG, but i have no idea why...
i really agree with the pensieve thing. maybe it's one of dumbledore's memories cuz we don't know how old he is and from the description of character x (lol) he doesn't exactly sound young...anyways, maybe it's one of dumbledore's memories of seeing GG that's in the pensieve...i don't know, but whoever it is, i would bet money it's the HBP
i really agree with the pensieve thing. maybe it's one of dumbledore's memories cuz we don't know how old he is and from the description of character x (lol) he doesn't exactly sound young...anyways, maybe it's one of dumbledore's memories of seeing GG that's in the pensieve...i don't know, but whoever it is, i would bet money it's the HBP
Hmm... yes he is, and well, Aberforth I know is the bartender at the Hogs Head but I can't recall his description, did they give one? If not, I guess it could be. Though I'm doubtful on Dumbie's brother having kene yellow eyes, but ya never know... and lol, I just called Dumbledore Dumbie... never done that before.
Oh, and about how McClaggan couldn't be the DADA teacher, I don't think that's true. Its possible that she liked the name so much that she could have changed the original name she'd had for a character to it. Similar to how she changed the name Bridgette to Rita Skeeter.
Oh, and about how McClaggan couldn't be the DADA teacher, I don't think that's true. Its possible that she liked the name so much that she could have changed the original name she'd had for a character to it. Similar to how she changed the name Bridgette to Rita Skeeter.
No DD's spectacles are Half moons so I suppose that shoots it down.
I don't want to be a spoilsport but the whole 'character description' thing. Are we sure that this character exists??
Maybe she (JKR) is just playing with our minds. Maybe it could be a dud clue??
Hate to spoil fun. But I am sorry.
I don't want to be a spoilsport but the whole 'character description' thing. Are we sure that this character exists??
Maybe she (JKR) is just playing with our minds. Maybe it could be a dud clue??
Hate to spoil fun. But I am sorry.
JK's not that mean, is she?
Anyway, you know how she went on about when she can't think of a name for a potion she uses like Potion X. That is, of course, how this thread was named. Maybe she was using similar reasoning here; maybe she couldn't think of a name for the character in the description (presuming he is the Half Blood Prince or the Heir of Gryffindor or the new DADA professor or something major) and when she found "McClaggan" she thought, "ah, perfect!" Or, she already had a name but thought McClaggan was better still. Tenuous, yes, but not impossible.
Anyway, you know how she went on about when she can't think of a name for a potion she uses like Potion X. That is, of course, how this thread was named. Maybe she was using similar reasoning here; maybe she couldn't think of a name for the character in the description (presuming he is the Half Blood Prince or the Heir of Gryffindor or the new DADA professor or something major) and when she found "McClaggan" she thought, "ah, perfect!" Or, she already had a name but thought McClaggan was better still. Tenuous, yes, but not impossible.
I seriously doubt she'd be that cruel to her readers. She wouldn't have released the quote unless it was important and relevant to the HBP. As I've said before, JKR takes a lot of time choosing names for her characters. She wouldn't be that whimsical about choosing a name for a major character. Do you (that's the crowd type 'you', incidentally, not just you, Spanner!! ) honestly believe JKR would release the name of the DADA before the book was released? 'Cos I don't...not for a second. She's got better security round that flaming book than Fort Knox.... 
Anyway, no, not impossible....but highly unlikely...
) honestly believe JKR would release the name of the DADA before the book was released? 'Cos I don't...not for a second. She's got better security round that flaming book than Fort Knox.... Anyway, no, not impossible....but highly unlikely...
| QUOTE (kreacher_the_house_elf @ Aug 23 2004, 06:16 AM) |
| No DD's spectacles are Half moons so I suppose that shoots it down. |
true... but that wouldn't mean his brother had to have half moon shaped spectacles either.
im going with the theory that its someone related to dumbledore.
thats my theory and im sticking to it.
what i can say for sure is... I can't wait for the book to be finished so we can all find out!!
I think there is a possibility that McClaggin is Godric Griffinors Heir... and that he is the new DADA teacher ... and that if the person in this extract was an animagi that they might turn into a lion. like Proff McGonigal (sorry about the spelling), shes a cat animagi and she looks like one! specticals and all.
I personally think this new character is McClaggin and that he is Griffindors heir and hes the new DADA teacher ... He'll probably become part of the order of the pheonix aswell.....
YAY for the Olympics.... NZ has 3 golds!
I personally think this new character is McClaggin and that he is Griffindors heir and hes the new DADA teacher ... He'll probably become part of the order of the pheonix aswell.....
YAY for the Olympics.... NZ has 3 golds!
| QUOTE (Nivaya @ Aug 21 2004, 09:37 PM) |
| A memory is possible, but as I've said before, the glasses....they just didn't have spectacles 1000 years ago...that is what bothers me about that theory.... |
Ok, so I believe you are right about them not having spectacles 100 years ago. But I was just thinking-not every thing in the book is logically or nessaceraly correct. Plus the spectacles got me thinking, ok kind of off topic but, If the dursleys hate harry so much, why did they get him glasses? Glasses are there to help. Just wondering. But now back on topic. MC (McClaggin) seems to be semi-not so semi-important. It's hard to tell because if JHo just thouught if it, it leaves us all wondering, what is his part? It's a little late to put new characters in to the 6th book. At least ones that mean a lot. So what if he is part of this book-like and into to him-but a main part in the nexT? Just a thought. Now that quote Jo gave us-I have run out of ideas of who it is. My best guess is someone new because every one else seems to be bringing up flaws with any other character.
*grins wickedly*
My turn.
Okay, about McClaggan, the name is probably just used for a first year during the sorting. She liked the name and decided to incorporate it into the story by giving one of the first years that name. Doesn't change the plot, and it would be pretty simple to just change an unimportant character's name.
The excerpt. I doubt it's Alberforth because the Dumbledores all seem to have had auburn hair and blue eyes. It's possibly not Godric Gryffindor, or the DADA teacher (well, I don't fully doubt that). I am guessing that Harry came across a memory (like some of you mentioned) and found himself in a trial, a few decades back, or somewhere near the current year of the book.
X could be the new Minister of Magic though! <---- Extremely random
My turn.
Okay, about McClaggan, the name is probably just used for a first year during the sorting. She liked the name and decided to incorporate it into the story by giving one of the first years that name. Doesn't change the plot, and it would be pretty simple to just change an unimportant character's name.
The excerpt. I doubt it's Alberforth because the Dumbledores all seem to have had auburn hair and blue eyes. It's possibly not Godric Gryffindor, or the DADA teacher (well, I don't fully doubt that). I am guessing that Harry came across a memory (like some of you mentioned) and found himself in a trial, a few decades back, or somewhere near the current year of the book.
X could be the new Minister of Magic though! <---- Extremely random
Oohh, interesting Wednesday!! Never thought that that very description could be that of the new minister of magic. I think we're all too focused on who the HPB is, to think about who the new minister of magic could be.. yes, it was random.. but it sure is possible!
Character X .. is making me angry. I think of this person and I say 'Yes, that HAS GOT TO BE HIM'.. then the next minute.. my mind is completely changed.. I think my thoughts about Character X have gone through too many transitions.. it's too puzzling. *headache finally emerges*..
Lastly, I do not think JK would open her 'Do Not Disturb' door just to make her faithful fans read some rubbish.. like what someone said "she's not that mean"... that excerpt (mark my words) is completely relevant and IMPORTANT...if only we knew who it was though. *sighs*
Character X .. is making me angry. I think of this person and I say 'Yes, that HAS GOT TO BE HIM'.. then the next minute.. my mind is completely changed.. I think my thoughts about Character X have gone through too many transitions.. it's too puzzling. *headache finally emerges*..
Lastly, I do not think JK would open her 'Do Not Disturb' door just to make her faithful fans read some rubbish.. like what someone said "she's not that mean"... that excerpt (mark my words) is completely relevant and IMPORTANT...if only we knew who it was though. *sighs*
Ahem.
*Tries to enter gracefully into the conversation.*
Alright, well, I'm a newbie at the forum... anyway, want to hear my crazy idea? Sure, why not, right?
Maybe X is the werewolf in St. Mungos that Lupin talked to!
Heh, and, of course, I'm sure none of you really care if he is or isn't, but I've got a serious thing for werewolves, so I'd be extremely happy if that unnamed werewolf was somehow important. Anyway.
I suppose he could be the HBP, although I thought it might be a bit... Mary-Sue-ish... to have a new character be the HBP. But, not nessecarily, I suppose. Especially if it's the memory of GG or something... dunno...
Oh, and one small off topic thing. How do I join S.P.E.L.L? LOL. Well, I love my lovely Lupin!
*Tries to enter gracefully into the conversation.*
Alright, well, I'm a newbie at the forum... anyway, want to hear my crazy idea? Sure, why not, right?
Maybe X is the werewolf in St. Mungos that Lupin talked to!
Heh, and, of course, I'm sure none of you really care if he is or isn't, but I've got a serious thing for werewolves, so I'd be extremely happy if that unnamed werewolf was somehow important. Anyway.
I suppose he could be the HBP, although I thought it might be a bit... Mary-Sue-ish... to have a new character be the HBP. But, not nessecarily, I suppose. Especially if it's the memory of GG or something... dunno...
Oh, and one small off topic thing. How do I join S.P.E.L.L? LOL. Well, I love my lovely Lupin!
Well, hi there, mate! Welcome to the forums!! You'll love it here...everyone's really great! Anywho, just head on over to the Lounge forum to the 'LupinLand' thread and dive right in if you want to join us S.P.E.L.L'ers! All people who are as much in love with dear old Remus as we are are more than welcome over there!!!!
However, just to remain on topic before the mods bite me, ( ), as much as I would love to agree with you, I don't think Character X is the werewolf...
Character X, just to clarify things a bit, is the unknown person whom JKR described in the excerpt that was released from 'Behind the Door' on her official site last week (although, sadly, now the door appears to be closed again). I don't think the description really sounds like a werewolf to be honest, and although our dear Lupin has quite a following out there to be the HBP, sadly I don't think it is so myself....although, I guess, that werewolf in the hospital could be...he's as good a candidate as any of the others...(although personally, my guess is still GG)
But good idea anywho! Keep 'em coming! We've got a long wait till the book comes out yet, so we need to keep the ideas alive! The time'll pass quicker....hopefully....
Welcome to the forums!! You'll love it here...everyone's really great! Anywho, just head on over to the Lounge forum to the 'LupinLand' thread and dive right in if you want to join us S.P.E.L.L'ers! All people who are as much in love with dear old Remus as we are are more than welcome over there!!!! However, just to remain on topic before the mods bite me, (
), as much as I would love to agree with you, I don't think Character X is the werewolf...Character X, just to clarify things a bit, is the unknown person whom JKR described in the excerpt that was released from 'Behind the Door' on her official site last week (although, sadly, now the door appears to be closed again). I don't think the description really sounds like a werewolf to be honest, and although our dear Lupin has quite a following out there to be the HBP, sadly I don't think it is so myself....although, I guess, that werewolf in the hospital could be...he's as good a candidate as any of the others...(although personally, my guess is still GG)
But good idea anywho! Keep 'em coming! We've got a long wait till the book comes out yet, so we need to keep the ideas alive! The time'll pass quicker....hopefully....
character x was described like a lion, so he couldnt really be the werewolf. and character x couldnt be the hbp, because rowling said that we were already introduced to us. unless the hbp is godric, and character x is the description of godric (the memory of godric in the pensieve that i mentioned before in my last post in this thread).
anyhoo, nice 'random' idea of character x being the minister of magic hope he's better than fudge...
anyhoo, nice 'random' idea of character x being the minister of magic
hope he's better than fudge...
well i think that it is highly likely to be a descpription of the new MoM
Well thats my two cents worth
Well thats my two cents worth
I have a few (long shot) theories of who Character X will be:
How about Moody?
Reading his discription in the lexicon, I found quite a few things similar to him and the excerpt. Though, I must admit, he doesn't have yellow eyes, but I think he might mention reading glasses. I could be making that up... nevermind, lol. So..
How about Filch?
He kind of reminds me of a grouchy old lion, and his eyes are described as cat-like, which could be yellow, yes? We don't know too much about Filch either. Did he go to Hogwarts? If not, why does he work there now? If he did.. was he a Gryffindor. I know he's never described with wearing glasses, but again, he could use them for reading. And, he has a limp... And here's my next go..
How about Dumbledore?
No, sillies, the other one, Aberforth. Again, we don't know much about him, and so far the best physical description was: "The barman sidled towards them out of a backroom. He was a grumpy-looking old man with a great deal of long grey hair and a beard. He was tall and thin and looked vaguely familiar to Harry. " ( p300 OotP) He's just so out there, and there has got to be more use of Aberforth in the series, otherwise he wouldn't exist! There would be no reason for Dumbledore to have a brother, that was mentioned in a very mysterious ways, if he serves no other purposes.
So far, those are my theories of who it could be, but what else they could be concerning the HBP, who knows? Enjoy.
How about Moody?
Reading his discription in the lexicon, I found quite a few things similar to him and the excerpt. Though, I must admit, he doesn't have yellow eyes, but I think he might mention reading glasses. I could be making that up... nevermind, lol. So..
How about Filch?
He kind of reminds me of a grouchy old lion, and his eyes are described as cat-like, which could be yellow, yes? We don't know too much about Filch either. Did he go to Hogwarts? If not, why does he work there now? If he did.. was he a Gryffindor. I know he's never described with wearing glasses, but again, he could use them for reading. And, he has a limp... And here's my next go..
How about Dumbledore?
No, sillies, the other one, Aberforth. Again, we don't know much about him, and so far the best physical description was: "The barman sidled towards them out of a backroom. He was a grumpy-looking old man with a great deal of long grey hair and a beard. He was tall and thin and looked vaguely familiar to Harry. " ( p300 OotP) He's just so out there, and there has got to be more use of Aberforth in the series, otherwise he wouldn't exist! There would be no reason for Dumbledore to have a brother, that was mentioned in a very mysterious ways, if he serves no other purposes.
So far, those are my theories of who it could be, but what else they could be concerning the HBP, who knows? Enjoy.
I just signed up because I had some things to say on this topic. Come on people, reincarnated founders, pencives, heirs, animagus', etc. If you havn't noticed JK seems to make a very concious effort to not make the obvious answers, the ones you would be expecting. Yet some things she makes very concistant, only to change it. She is very unpredictable and tricky, you have to think like her.
I think that "character X" is the new DADA teacher. Look at the describtion again people. It is not a vision, a memory, a dream, a ghost. It is too vivid, as if you are watching him walk by. You will notice that in all of her descriptions of the demi things I mentioned earlier, she puts in something about how surreal they seem, how wierd it felt for him to be here, how they differ from present day people, etc. He is definately a real person, and the way he is described (the limp, gray hair, rangy) conjours with the mode of most of their DADA's so far.
I don't think he is the HBP because I just have a gut feeling that it is a character we have met before, either in a passing, or a well known one. I just don't think that JK could hold it in if it was a new character. But I could be surprised. Plese tell me what you think of my theory and see if you can add to it.
I think that "character X" is the new DADA teacher. Look at the describtion again people. It is not a vision, a memory, a dream, a ghost. It is too vivid, as if you are watching him walk by. You will notice that in all of her descriptions of the demi things I mentioned earlier, she puts in something about how surreal they seem, how wierd it felt for him to be here, how they differ from present day people, etc. He is definately a real person, and the way he is described (the limp, gray hair, rangy) conjours with the mode of most of their DADA's so far.
I don't think he is the HBP because I just have a gut feeling that it is a character we have met before, either in a passing, or a well known one. I just don't think that JK could hold it in if it was a new character. But I could be surprised. Plese tell me what you think of my theory and see if you can add to it.
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| (He) looked rather like an old lion. There were streaks of grey in his mane of tawny hair and his bushy eyebrows; he had keen yellowish eyes behind a pair of wire-rimmed spectacles and a certain rangy, loping grace even though he walked with a slight limp. |
This is the exact quote taken from behind the door. Now how can you possibly glean from such a tiny excerpt that this, in no way, relates to a memory, a pensieve or anything else? It's pure description and nothing else. You don't know what came before it and you don't know what came after it. She could have used more abstract, less precise adjectives elsewhere in the paragraph that could have indicated that this might be a memory etc, but she's not going to release anything that wasn't absolutely water tight because she knows that people would see through it. There is nothing in this excerpt that unequivocally concludes that this person is real. JKR has used equally descriptive terms to describe dreams before, namely the entire first chapter of GoF where Harry even feels what Frank felt as he saw Wormtail and Voldemort.
Of course, you are more than entitled to your opinion - if you think that the description relates to the new DADA teacher, then fair enough, okay. It might very well do. But I would point out that these books are targeted mainly at children and she is not out to deliberately catch them out or be deceptive. The answers have always been there - they are usually clearest in hindsight, but never has she deliberately set out to mislead. To be ambiguous, yes, but not to deceive. Her books encourage a closer look at the prose she uses and the precisely chosen adjectives...she is encouraging her readers to look at subtext, that's all. Not drive them crazy.
And, again, I would also point out that as she opens this door so infrequently, I highly doubt that she would release something that didn't relate to who the HBP is because she knows that is exactly what the millions of kids who read her books are waiting for, plus it relates to the information she released the last time the door opened. Maybe the HBP is also the new DADA teacher...who knows...but I really don't think you should be dismissing the other possibilities quite so readily.
stupid_cat *oh, I feel mean calling you stupid even though it's in your name...>.<* One of my very first thoughts about who it might be was Aberforth Dumbledore too...I can't remember what made me dismiss that theory though, maybe I'll revive it!!
The idea of it being Filch, I think it really sounds too noble to be him, I mean, like...he's a squib, and he's not a particularly classy one, I think it sounds like someone who has a kind of presence and power about him...and as for the Moody theory, naah, I think you're just decieving yourself there...granted, he's now like, The Bionic Moody, and prolly wouldn't bear much resemblance to his younger self, but...character X seems far more gentle, and wise...rather than...what Moody is, I guess...
The idea of it being Filch, I think it really sounds too noble to be him, I mean, like...he's a squib, and he's not a particularly classy one, I think it sounds like someone who has a kind of presence and power about him...and as for the Moody theory, naah, I think you're just decieving yourself there...granted, he's now like, The Bionic Moody, and prolly wouldn't bear much resemblance to his younger self, but...character X seems far more gentle, and wise...rather than...what Moody is, I guess...
I personally think its a spirit or a flashback or something like that, character x doesn't seem especially like someone who would be alive today. Though if it isn't one of those things, I would suspect this to be the new Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher (hehe I wrote out the whole title, wheeee).
Yeah, it, and this'll sound odd, seems to have too much in the way of presence to be someone who was just like, there....seems to special almost. Of course that could just be me going *BIT FROM BOOK, BIT FROM BOOK, MAGIC SPECIALNESS!!!* in my 5 year-old way....>.<
I hate to say that after reading this entire thread, no one changed my mind. Lol. But I do think that it may be a flashback of GG or something like a flashback. He resembles a lion, hence the Gryffindor lion. Or a heir of GG, which seems a better possibility. I'm sure somewhere along the lines GG had a family. But it does seem a little late for Jo to add that, who knows though. I sure don't. I'm getting some really bad headaches from all this thinking. Lol. And I definately don't think its Aberforth. Sorry, but it seems unlikely. He has grey hair and smells like goats.
I'm still bent up on the theory of Mrs. Norris being an Animagus. I just can't let it go as much as people say its not possible. I want it to be true. It seems to fit! What if.. (don't think I'm stupid for suggesting this) that is the description of Mrs. Norris as a human. All my theories so far are pretty far-fetched, but oh well. I love my ideas, even thought every single one of them will probably be wrong once the books come out. Haha! I still really like the idea of Mrs. Norris being the HBP too. But I guess she could be a Keazle (spelling?), but that's not as interesting, I want her to be an Animagus!!!
Back on topic, I think it's either GG, an heir of GG, or (hopefully, so I'm not proven an idiot) the human form of Mrs. Norris... Tell me what you guys think about my theories, I'm interested to hear how stupid those sounded to all of you! Lol.
I'm still bent up on the theory of Mrs. Norris being an Animagus. I just can't let it go as much as people say its not possible. I want it to be true. It seems to fit! What if.. (don't think I'm stupid for suggesting this) that is the description of Mrs. Norris as a human. All my theories so far are pretty far-fetched, but oh well. I love my ideas, even thought every single one of them will probably be wrong once the books come out. Haha! I still really like the idea of Mrs. Norris being the HBP too. But I guess she could be a Keazle (spelling?), but that's not as interesting, I want her to be an Animagus!!!
Back on topic, I think it's either GG, an heir of GG, or (hopefully, so I'm not proven an idiot) the human form of Mrs. Norris... Tell me what you guys think about my theories, I'm interested to hear how stupid those sounded to all of you! Lol.
hmm i agree with the heir of godric being character x is kinda late. she used the element of surprise (erm, to some extent) enough already IMO. but the thing about mrs. norris being the character x....um the description says that it's a he. plus, still the element of surprise thing it'll be cool, but random, lol.
it'll be cool, but random, lol.
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(He) looked rather like an old lion. There were streaks of grey in his mane of tawny hair and his bushy eyebrows; he had keen yellowish eyes behind a pair of wire-rimmed spectacles and a certain rangy, loping grace even though he walked with a slight limp. |
I remember (seeing in the film COS ) Salazar syltherin statue in the chamber having mane of hair,bushy eyebrows. .And basilik had yellow eyes (i remember Moaning Myrthle saying to Harry in the film).And since we all know that salazar was a parselmouth too and he was the one to have the baqsilik in the chamber may be he might had yellow eyes like basilik.
I am not saying he is the HBP.but does the description fits him?
What about Nicholus Flammel? did they give a description of him in the second book? I duuno... I was reading some of the threads on the possible link between books 2 & 6 and wasn't there some sorta clue that talked how the first chapter in book 6 was going to be the one that was origionally going to be used in book 2? i am not sure but when i got that "hidden easter egg" stuff on jkrowlings site one of the things was an early page for PoS or Cos...and i can't read her handwriting but i skimmed over it and caught N. Flammel...It may be nothing but i haven't seen anybody else mention this character before about the book six stuff...whether he could be HBP or new DADA teacher or whatever i dunno...just thought i throw Flammel into the pile of ideas on the sixth book
What was the clue about McClaggen(sp)? Thanks soo much...hope someone can fiddle over this...and JK said herself the HBP is neither Harry nor Voldemoart (this includes Tom Riddle too! duh..the same guy it said so on her site) ... Thanks for reading this and if you made it this far congratulations...kudos to you!
What was the clue about McClaggen(sp)? Thanks soo much...hope someone can fiddle over this...and JK said herself the HBP is neither Harry nor Voldemoart (this includes Tom Riddle too! duh..the same guy it said so on her site) ... Thanks for reading this and if you made it this far congratulations...kudos to you!
This character X is describe like a lion would be (except the glasses). A person always looks somwhat like the thing they transform into (Mcgonagal and skeeter with the glasses), so i think that this person is an animagus with the animal as a lion. Also since Gryffindor house's animal is a lion it could be a descendant of GG. I've had this feeling for a little while now. I was thinking that it could be Godric Gryffindor's son. Godric Gryffindor appears to be a royal figure. So his son would be a prince. Another of my reasons for this is because of the sword which was found in book two. Another is this Fanfiction i read. It's called Harry Potter and the solidus charm and can be found at Fanfiction.net. In this GG had a son and passed on this power to him. This power was passed down from generation to generation in the Gryffindor line. Harry eventually recieves this power (AKA power the dark lord knows not). I've always liked the idea that Harry was GG's descendant because of the sword, his parents used to live in Godrics hollow, and the irony that people used to think that he was slytherin's heir. So in the HBP Harry could recieve a power from the HBP (GG's son) to use against Voldemort (the last remaining heir to slytherin). For this to be true it would have to be seen in a memory. Maybe Nicholas Flemel could have know an early descendant of Gryffindor and showed harry a memory either through a pensieve or legilimensy.
wen i read the excerpt i thought it may be a sphinx and then i read specs?sphinx?no way and i had to change my idea.lol.
about the mrs.norris thing y not?remember animagis always have a resemblance with the animal and cats have a lionish appearance.and the basilisk attacked her in cos so it means that x and hbp and norris are all one and the same!!!!!bit farfetched? maybe but i love it.and the thing about the X being a he so cats are male too and norris has never even given birth to kittens.isn't it ?well watever
about the mrs.norris thing y not?remember animagis always have a resemblance with the animal and cats have a lionish appearance.and the basilisk attacked her in cos so it means that x and hbp and norris are all one and the same!!!!!bit farfetched? maybe but i love it.and the thing about the X being a he so cats are male too and norris has never even given birth to kittens.isn't it ?well watever
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