I thought that a lot more would be cut. I knew the Yule ball would be, and the whole Quidditch world cup is too long, but why the Dursleys? I think they should have kept them in just to show Mr Weasley destroying their fireplace. I'm glad Riat Skeeters been cut, she annoyed me in the books. And I couldn't care less about Madam Maxime.

As for S.P.E.W well it's nothing but Hermiones hobby in GOF but I do agree that it may become big in book 6. I wonder how JKR felt about all the cuts. I suppose she would have had a say in them, but if S.P.E.W does turn into something more, then wouldn't she have wanted it in the movie? I'll never understand why the writers let the script writers mangle their books just to make a movie. Oh, and I suppose since Rita Skeeters been cut then there was no use for the weighing of the wands since most of that chapter Harry was in a cupboard with her.

I knew that most of it would be cut. But I never expected ALL the Dursleys to go.

We should've known though ~after the way that PoA was ended. That we won't see much more of the Dursleys.

The script that the leaky cauldron 'acquired' had a Rita Skeeter part in it.

Or is it Rita Skeeter just a reporter ~not a continual annoyance?

Scenes with Snape. ~personally when Snape was being terrible to Harry. I enjoyed it. But you know that that is the way the movies go.

*grumble grumble grumble*

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sorry, i just had to get that outta my system. why did they have to cut so many things from the movie? i'm willing to sit on my butt for four hours straight staring up, and pay like about 15 bucks for the ticket.

even if it's just a rumor, the people from the movie can take whatever are in the rumors into consideration, and actually cut it out! plus it spreads negative vibes =\

anyway, i can care less about rita skeeter, since she didn't have a real big part, but it would have been nice to sorta introduce her, so she could have been easier for us to take in in the fifth movie when she writes the article for the quibber.

same thing with the romance between hagrid and madame maxime. as much as i find it cute that hagrid has found his beloved, it's not THAT important, but it can introduce the idea, making it easier for the fifth movie.

i'm surprised that they're not going to cut "potter stinks" in the movie. =\ it's pointless really.

they just cant cut out the yule ball! they just cant! arrrrrrrrrggghhh. sorry

Noooo

The Yule Ball cannot be cut.

As I am in denial. It is a rumor and should be treated as such!!

"Drastically cut"... does that mean it was cut at the last minute? *confused*

Yeah spew and the snape thing is almost one of the most important sub plots.

It is still a rumour ~I would love to think it is.

With the 3 tasks, the pensieve, the death, the dark mark scene, and the opening scene. We sort of knew that it would be still there ~otherwise it just isn't really Harry Potter.

The 'Potter Stinks' badges they aren't really essential and I'll be interested to see the way they present them.

I really don't know what to think. I just think that all of the things could be in there but in less detail.

I'm sure it will be magnificent anyway.

Drastic - is extreme in effect or action. (merriam-webster)

I think that clears it up.

I've said this before but I'll just say it again anyway. Yeah undoubtedly I wished more could be included in GoF and it's undeniable that I wished GoF could be 4 hours long or split into 2 as was originally rumored.

BUT. The fact of the matter is they've decided to keep it to the standard 2 hour 20-30 mins running time. SO. Obviously with that short duration for a thick book like GoF, it's inevitable that heaps is gonna be cut out or edited down.

Realizing the pages of a book (what more a thick, detailed one like GoF) to the big screen is no easy feat. Tough decisions have to be made about what stays in, what gets cut out and what gets edited down. Personally, I'm just thankful to the crew for agreeing to take up this massive challenge!!

Whatever the final product, I will have nothing but respect for Mike Newell and the crew because it was no easy task.

What about the Quidditch World Cup? Do you people think that's not important? That's where we find out about Krum. That's WAY important, how can they cut it?

They haven't cut the QWC entirely, it'll still be in the movie just not as much as it was in the book. I assume they'll probably have a very small amount at the campsite, just to show how big the event was and to show all the tents, and hopefully the Krum posters in the Bulgarian section lol. Then they'll show a bit of the game, and maybe the Veelas but I'm doubtful. But I think that'll be it...

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww no!!!!!!!! i was really lookin forwrd 2 da yule ball bit!! i wanted to see hermione in her dress, and see harry have 2 ask out a girl!!! and i was really lookin forwrd 2 seein ireland play in the qwc!!!!! thats sooooo annoyin! i would have liked the cursleys to stay too! awww! *looks sad*

Maybe what they've done with the SPEW thing is essentially said everything that needs to be said with just the interaction between Dobby and Winky. A few well chosen, well written lines that takes only a couple of seconds of screen times could sum up what it takes several pages to say in the book, so I can understand why they cut the SPEW thing...

And the Yule Ball...cute, but not essential. 'Drastically cut' means just that - it does not mean excised completely, so maybe the main things will still stay there - Harry overhearing Snape and Karkaroff's conversation, for example.

Hagrid and Madame Maxime? **shrugs** Big deal...not important really. Ditto QWC (sorry, guys, I know how disappointed ya all are about that, but I have to say I skipped most of that chapter when I read the book...**yawn**)

I'm just really glad the Pensieve scene is there....I've got quite a soft spot growing for Crouch since I've seen David Tennant, and since I've read again the bit where he whimpers and begs and cries for his Mummy...LOL....Aww...poor guy!!!

Anywho, it's all rumour anyway, so I wouldn't go sending hate mail to WB just yet....

You know what they say about the internet.....

I've just mentioned this on another thread but I'll say it again - there's a difference between CUT and DRASTICALLY CUT.

Cut means it will not be included in the film. For example, there will be no scenes with the Dursleys. (shame coz I would have liked to see Dudley's tongue elongate and the Weasleys burst through the fireplace!! )

Drastically Cut means it will still be in the film but it will be very edited down. Like the Yule Ball, don't panic guys it's not been cut!! It's still in but it will be a short scene. I reckon they'll show pre-Ball where Harry asks Cho...and they'll probably show the beginning of the Ball, which means we will see Hermione all dolled up.

And yes, it was mentioned that we will see Karkaroff hassling Snape about their DM tattoo, and there will also be a brief mention of Hagrid's interest in Madam Maxime. Which I think is totally fine because as Dana said, it's really not that significant compared to a lot of other things that happen in the book (ie the Pensieve scene).

Another scene that has been drastically cut is the QWC. I still stick by my hunch that they will not feature the match. Like severely_severus said, they'll most likely show the campsite and the Bulgarians with their Krum posters (Ron could exclaim that that's the Bulgarian seeker thus establishing Krum's character), but that's it really. As nice as it would be to have some Quidditch in the movie, as I said in the previous paragraph, compared to a lot of the other things that happen later on in the book, the movie would not suffer any loss from ommitting the match. Plus, we would have heard some news about WB casting people for the International players.

And Dana, about SPEW, they did mention that Dobby and Winky are definitely in, but SPEW specifically, there won't be much emphasis...we will see Hermione making the badges and hassling Harry and Ron to join, but that's about it.

So far I'm quite happy with what's been decided. GoF being such a thick book full of details and working within such a tight timeframe, it can't have been easy deciding what to keep in, keep out or cut down. But I think they've done overall, quite a good job.

And yeah, it's actually not been officiated by WB yet, so we'll just have to wait and see....

Yeah, I know Dobby and Winky are still in...that's what I meant really...I guess I wasn't very clear about that. What I meant was that the whole SPEW thing, to use an analogy, is a very big iceberg and all that we really need to see is the tip, ie Dobby and Winky. Their presence, plus a couple of badges essentially captures the whole spirit of the SPEW thing, but in about a hundred less pages! (and therefore screen time)

Yup spot-on mate, that's EXACTLY the point!! That was the whole reasoning behind WB's final decision to keep GoF as a single 2 hr 20-30 mins running time movie. Newell reckoned there was a lot of stuff that went into so much detail and elaboration that he could afford to cut out totally or at least edit down.

Like I've said before, whatever the final product, I will have nothing but respect for Newell and his crew because GoF is the hardest book to make into a movie thus far, and tough decisions had to be made but they rose to the challenge.

And yeah, as long as the movie captured the overall SPIRIT of the book (the main plot(s) are there, the main theme(s) of the book are displayed), I'm satisfied.

Also, they should put the World cup, and Ron and Harry when they are at the stadium, and then the veelas come out!!, so shining and colorful!!!!!
I want to see ron and Harry´s faces, so ashamed, and happy, for all the beauty that´s out there in the world, and that they haven´t see.

as for me.. I dont care about spew thingie.. but the yule ball? it was my fave piece of the book

What do you think will happen, the house-elves form an army and attack the Death Eaters? LOL. Hmmmm.....I can't see JKR allowing something to be cut if it's really that important, and she has a lot of say in it, doesn't she?

I would definitely not mind watching the movie for that long. But think of Order of the Phoenix, and how that's even longer than Goblet of Fire....I wonder what they'll cut out of that......hmmmmmmmm......

The Yule Ball is one of my favorite parts, yes. I would love to see Hermione in her dress and Ron hiding from Fleur, etc etc.....

Man, sometimes I wish they would just make a version for the fans that completely follows the book. Oh well, I guess that sense of unpredictability is a little of what makes it exciting.

You know, S.P.E.W. could be more than just a little revealing of Hermione's character. What if Rowling wants to put irony? No one listens to this little girl with bushy hair and then when the time comes, it'll be too late. Rowling might pull off something like that. . .What kind of situation? Who knows? Maybe only Elf magic would work and Voldemort had made all wands stop working. . . That's a maybe.

I think Harry's and Snape's relationship is really important. The audience needs to know what kind of relationship they have!

How would they explain Ron's infatuation with Fleur? Is there any mention of a relationship? They'll probably see the veelas and leprachauns. The images of those creatures are compelling. Is anyone cast for Ludo Bagman? They should have Quidditch, knowing what kind of disapproval it got for omitting it last time. And the fact that Quidditch is Harry's favorite activity!

The Dursleys aren't too much of a loss because Rowling said they wouldn't play too much of a part in further books. (Did she? I think she did. She did say Petunia was just a Muggle. . .)

The Yule Ball isn't that important. It shows teenage behavior. But, I do want to see Hermione's teeth go from large to perfect. And I want to see her "transformation" and how she looks with Viktor Krum.

I wonder how they'll show Moody's eye. . .

i think that they will cut out the beginning where the weasly's go to pick up harry. and it think they will leave out a lot of house elf stuff like when they are in the kitchens.

they will probably cut out the part moody turns draco into a ferret and harry practicing for the tournament

Oh definitely...they did say that they will not show Harry fretting over the 2nd task as much as he did in the book. It's like how they didn't show Harry struggling with the Patronus charm in POA, they just edited it to show that he got it in that first lesson!!

As for the ferret scene, yeah sadly, I don't think it's gonna make the final cut but it's definitely been filmed, so hopefully we'll get to see it under additional scenes on the DVD!! *fingers crossed*

Have any of you guys sign the Petition??

saveGOF.com

sign it, we need alot mor signatures!!

Yes I think that the deleted scenes part of the DVD is sort of more interesting than the movie. But then again thats me!

Anything that makes it too the movie has to be essential to the plot or be a clue for the later books. So I suppose House Elves aren't going to be as big as I thought. Oh well.

As long as it is fairly true to the book and funny. There is not much else you could hope for!

As I've mentioned numerous times, in regards to the movies, as they cannot possibly be an exact visual representation of the books, all they need to do is make sure that the movies keep to the SPIRIT of the books. To me, that's all that matters.

Yeah the house elves among many other things, they may have quite a "presence" in the book but as they do not do much to the overall plot/theme of GoF can afford to be cut out or at least edited down. So much more happens towards the end of the book that a lot of the stuff that happend in the first half are secondary and any cuts there won't affect the movie ultimately.

I take it Mrs Weasley isn't in GOF either? Julie Walters doesn't appear in any of the cast lists for it.
Pity, because I thought the scene where she hugs Harry is a really touching one - he doesn't ever remember being hugged before.

Hey this doesnt actually have something to do with this topic. But here in South-Africa in every news paper today the people talked about a dog that can walk on two legs his hind legs, being used in the movie do you guys know something about this?

SPEW should be included, it leads to the whole sirius V.S. kreacher in Ootp.

Yule Ball needs to be kept, becaues If we lose the scene afterwars with the HUGE Ron and Hermione moment, I WILL literally rip the screen in half saying words that shan't be said in front of 10 year old kiddies.

They *are* included but it will be an edited down version. Look at the first post.

It's easy for viewers like you to say this is what YOU want to be in the movie, but it's not as simple as that. They are working on a very tight timeframe so tough decisions have to be made about what stays in, stays out and gets cut down.

If you can't see it that way, then tough, you or any of us have no say in what the final product is anyway. But at least be more considerate to the other people who paid for the movie and not rip the screen in half...not to mention you'll have to pay the cinema for the damage.

As I've said before, the important thing is that the movies stick to the SPIRIT of the books. That's all that matters. Remember, the books and movies are not the same thing. The movies are BASED on the books, therefore not everything that happens in the books will be in the movies.

i agree with you ashleigh07... most fans say I want this or I want that but really it's not what you want, but what the filmmakers think is best for that movie.. i do the same thing so don't feel offended but if we respect the decisions that filmmakers make then it would make the whole harry potter expereince a lot better

back on topic... i wish they kept S.P.E.W. in because it's important but i guess the screenwriter and JKR didn't think it was necessary... i thought the whole S.P.E.W. thing would be important in later books... but i guess not since JKR let kloves cut it

Exactly, thank you for seeing things in an open-minded way, we need more people like you in the HP fandom-world!!

After quickly browsing through this topic (gee it's long) I am left with mixed feelings about the rumours. I somewhat thought that the Dursley's had a significance due to what was said in OoTP.
And again with Snape being cut. Most annoyed.

I really don't see how they could Snape's parts down much more. I mean, he's hardly in it anyway and the parts that he is in are very important to the plot - like his conversations with Karkaroff, the part in the hospital at the end...I guess we won't get to see that rather ascerbic comment about Hermione's teeth after Malfoy hexed her (a very great tragedy, IMHO...the fact that we won't see it, that it is...not that she gets hexed... ) I don't know...how they can cut down on one of the best and most talented actors' role?! I'm sure that Alan is what keeps all those Mum's out there interested in HP, you know...

As for the Dursley's...yeah, I've said before that I don't think their being cut is a huge thing really. It's a pity we won't get to see the comic potential of Mr Weasley landing in their living room, but it's not the end of the world. That being said, I do agree with Rickmansmissus that it's a bit weird seeing as how JKR has dropped this huge clue now about Petunia. I don't know...maybe it won't matter so much that they're cut from this and more than likely from OotP too...they're already introduced the characters into the first three films so fans who are only following the movies will still know who they are if they're re-introduced in the HBP.

i'm not surprised that the world cup was drastically cut. it was afterall like ten chapters long. im not surprised about spew either. honestly, i dont find it that interesting and it doesn't do much for the plot. the dursleys, im not too surprised about either. what surprised me is that they cut snapes part down. sure, he's not that importnat in the book but he still is a supporting character. and im surprised about the yule ball also. even though i like that scene a lot i do understand. it doens't do much for the plot either. although it would've been nice to see ron and harry being all silly about thier dates and the ron and hermione fights. i think they'll have the fight at the end. cutting down hagrid and madame maxime didn't really bother me either. i dont remember much of the other stuff. but im sure they kept all the important scenes such as all the triwizard tournament and all.

It's so aweful.. I really want to see yule ball. Why it's been cut? So, what about the pic that harry's wearing dress? I think that's for yule ball... That's not fair.. why they've to cut many good parts?? The time is too long??? I think it won't because lord of the rings movie is 4 hours longer. I really want to see the movie althought it's 4 hours longer or even 5.

The Yule Ball wasn't cut out, neither was the Quidditch World Cup. They just had to be made shorter because of time and money. But seriously think about this, what would you rather have: short, not as good Voldemort rebirth scene and longer say 30-60 minutes of Yule Ball and QWC or decent sized QWC and Yuke Ball and much better, well made other scenes.

Things have to be cut because of time, money, and the fact that a lot of little kids are going to be watching this movie.
Time- they have a timeline that they have to stick to, each scene is more time till its finished and sets them behind on the release.
Money- They have to stick to their budget, more scenes=more money
Kids are watching it- Since there will be more kids than teens/adults watching this movie. Kids like to move around, they don't like to stay in one place for a long period of, when they have to they begin to lose interest. WB needs to keep their interest all the way through the movie so some scenes need to be shorter.

But I heard that HP GOF just for 10+

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ok first of all most of that stuff that is in the cut range cannot go. the yule ball can't go. i really don't care about rita skeeter but still at the end hermione brings her home in a jar and none of the people who don't read the books won't understand. hagrid/madame maxime can't go because it plays a huge part in the fifth one. they already spent 308 MILLION DOLLARS on just this one movie. that's 10 MILLION DOLLARS MORE THAN the WHOLE Lord of the Rings trilogy! the only reason they did that is because they signed a contract saying that they would produce 1 hp movie every year. they only spent that much because they want it to look good to see with the special effects so people will forget that it's 2.5 hours long. in the fouth onr they also explain Moody. and malfoy get turned into a ferret! please don't let them cut that out. duh! are they cutting that out?

I'm sorry but I couldn't read 3 pages with replies so, how do we know all this?
how did you found out which sceen being cutted and which sceens are not?
th first post said that the yule ball were being drasticly cutt? this can't be true, becayse I've seen pictures of Harry and Rond wearing yuleball dresses, or what you'll call it..

Oh, mate, we don't wanna start going around in circles. I can understand if you don't fancy wading through three pages of posts, but on the other hand, I'm sure no one wants to repeat themselves about a gazillion times either.

If you want a summary, why don't you check out the GoF updates on the main VTM site? It'll save everyone having to type out a load of stuff again..... Have a look here.

I'm new to the HP forums...just to let you all know

I agree with the point that someone said about "keeping the SPIRIT" of the book (sorry that I don't know names or anything). I just wanted to bring up the point that most of the people who are following the films have read the HP series, so it's not really a big deal for us. We know what happens in the book so we really don't need a play-by-play account in the movies. As for those who just follow the movies, they are just that--following the movies. They really don't need to know all of the background info and subplots that we know about. My dad enjoys the movies and he keeps asking me about different stuff so I just tell him to read the books (which he hasn't yet!!) So as for those only following the movies, the books are there if you want more information. The movies are there to provide its viewers with entertainment and then the large profit WB will receive from it.

As for what was cut and kept... I agree that everything that was cut, was cut for good reason. There isn't really anything for the "just following the movies" people to know about Harry's stay at the Dursley's, or S.P.E.W. I also agree that the scenes kept are the most central to the plot to begin with. The QWC was cool to read, but it's not super important to the movie plot, nor is the Yule Ball. Besides, the Yule Ball wasn't even that long in the book, I'm pretty sure we'll only see the highlights: Hermione dolled up, overhearing the convo between Snape and Karkaroff, and the champions and their dates, ah and yes, Ron's frilly dress robe.

So yay, that's it for my first post. Hopefully some of you will agree with my point about the readers and "just following the movies" people.