Why was Dumbledore so happy that Voldemort used Harry's blood to come back? When Harry was describing to Dumbledore and Sirius about the ritual performed for Voldemort, it says that Dumbledore got a triumphant look in his eye.

I thought, perhaps that may have been explained in Book 5, but it was not.

Does anyone know?

That is what I have been guessing.

The part about the blood in the fourth book might have had something to do with the reason Dumbledore didn't kill Voldemort in the fifth book. Although that might not have been what you referring to at all, but what the heck.

possibly harry's blood mixed with the reincarnation (Okay not really) of voldemort would, probably make voldemort more connected with harry. that, or maybe when we have the final battle, harry is in pain because of voldemort's torturing, and so voldmort inflicts pain onto himself, because he is connected by harry's blood.

the scar burned whenever harry felt an intense emotion from voldemort, so probably the blood could do vice versa? hmm if that was the case then voldemort would have felt harry's anger during the fifth book....argh. okay i'm totally confused. sorry

It was never explained in the book, but I did notice that. I'm sure I've posted about it on another thread somewhere.....

Personally, I think DD was pleased because either it is required to fulfil some part of the prophecy, or because it makes LV vulnerable in some way. Now that he has Harry's blood within him - and Pettigrew's and his father's (in a way) too....don't forget that - I think that it will, in some way, make it possible now for Harry to defeat him. Perhaps, as long as he has the essence of Harry and therefore Lily's sacrifice within him now, it might make him weaker in some way....open to better emotions like love, self-sacrifice, bravery and courage and so on....

I don't know....there's obviously something in it though, or DD wouldn't have smiled the way he did...triumphantly....like he's won...

Totally agree Dana!! Couldn't have said it better.

I don't think DD would have a triumphant look if he knew something bad was going to happen, but instead.. something good. So maybe it was kind of foreshadowing that Harry just might defeat Voldemort for good.. like what Dana said, there's prolly something in Harry's blood that makes Voldemort more vulnerable or weaker in some way.. hopefully!! We'll have to see.. book 6 is supposed to answer loads of lingering questions we all have.

I think I've read a theory that Dumbledore's look of triumph was because Voldemort now had enough human in him to die. Because he didn't die last time because there wasn't enough human in him. He had been using all these things to keep him alive. Well Harry is human and that blood gave Voldemort the human he needed.

Yeah, that's a good idea, actually...I never thought about it like that.....

But yeah, LV has enough of the good stuff in him now to counteract the bad, maybe...making him vulnerable....

Mmm....interesting....

I personally think that this will play a part in the future books. maybe dumbledore the half blood prince?

Didn't Voldemort say he wanted Harry's blood because it would make him stronger, give him the same protection Harry had? (My memory is a little blurry on this, and I don't have the book handy).

Harry's protection though is powered by Love. Lily's love for Harry led her to die to protect him. If that is in Voldemort's blood now it has got to be bad for him sooner or later.

And I think Dumbledore didn't try to kill Voldemort for two reasons. One is if Voldemort has the same protection as Harry, any killing spell is likely to rebound on the caster, killing them instead. The second is if Dumbledore did get a killing spell through it would be unlikely to kill Voldemort given all the other anti-death magicks he has acquired over the years. Voldy might need to flee and go in hiding again, but I think Dumbledore wants to get rid of him once and for all during his lifetime, and he knows because of the prophecy that Harry is the only one who can do this.

We should all find out for sure at the end of book 7. Heh.

Those are two very good points, I hadn't really thought about it like that before, particularly the thought that the curse might rebound on the caster. Personally, I think it is going to be something far more complicated than AK that finally gets Voldemort anyway, something to do with the 'force' in the Department of Mysteries...and yes, I agree that only Harry can finally 'seal' Voldemort in death permanently. Whether or not Harry has to die himself in order to do so though - perhaps through self-sacrifice, a love that Voldemort couldn't possibly understand - is a matter for debate.

Oh dear!!

I just realised something horrible!!!

When Harry finally kills Voldemort or vice-versa then that would kill Harry/Voldemort because they would be killing their own blood.

*sobs unrestrainably*

So it would be like Harry commiting suicide?

I do believe that Dumbledore is not as righteous as most would think. As the story grows with each book, Dumbledore seems to be changing and becoming darker. In The Order of the Phoenix, he would nether look at nor acknowledge Harry. In a previous book Dumbledore was said to “have a look of triumph” when Harry had told him grievous news. Dumbledore does not sit right with me, and I think that most people over look this. They believe that he is to good to turn dark.

E. N. Windham

I've been sucked into Bandoth's Changeling Theory thread, and it has given me another idea of why Dumbledore might get a triumphant look when told about Voldy using Harry's blood.

Voldemort used to experience pain at touching Harry. When he took Harry's blood he negated that. Harry though still experiences pain at Voldemort's proximity. It acts as a warning, and even wakes him from his visions. Voldemort may have eliminated his early warning system to Harry's proximity though. It took him half a year--until Harry's vision of the attack on Mr. Weasley--to discover the open connection between him and Harry. If Harry can learn to control the pain through Occlumency, he might have the advantage in the long run.

I think Mrs. Brisbee's theory is interesting. I don't know what effect using Harry's blood will have on Voldemort, but I think there is a reason that Rowling used Harry's blood and not some other wizard's blood. I think the reason is something besides what Voldemort stated .

*(BOOK 5 SPOILER)* I've posted this theory someplace else (I can't remember where), but I think Dumb;edore's look is tied to the prophecy. In the prophecy it said that "Neither can live while the other survives". Maybe Voldemort is part Voldemort and part Harry since he used Harry's blood to be reborn in human form. If this is true, then Dumbledore's triumphant look may be due to his knowledge of the prophecy. Voldemort would not be able to live in the end because neither Harry nor Voldemort can live while the other survives. If Voldemort is part Harry and part Voldemort then it sets up a kind of paradox where Voldemort can not possibly survive.

Interesting thought there, mcgonagall. I've been operating lately under the theory that Voldemort made the connection between himself and Harry stronger when he used Harry's blood because he negated Lily's protection, which had been preventing Harry and Voldy from getting into each others heads. Your tying it in to the prophecy makes an interesting twist, and fits in with my view too.

Of course, Voldy using harry's blood may have been a blunder many times over, and many of the posters here may see their theories play out.

[QUOTE]Oh dear!!

I just realised something horrible!!!

When Harry finally kills Voldemort or vice-versa then that would kill Harry/Voldemort because they would be killing their own blood.

*sobs unrestrainably*

So it would be like Harry commiting suicide?

I think that in the end when Lord Voldemort is killed, Harry will die as well (or vise versa).

We already know that Harry can feel what Voldemort is feeling as certain time, and we know that Harry can also up to a certain point see what Voldemort is up to.

This leads me to believe that neither of them is going to be able to survive the second war. I think a difficult choice is going to have to be made in the end....

**Book 5 Spoiler**

I wonder, by taking Harry's blood, did Voldemort mark Harry as his equal for a second time?

At Godric Hollow Voldemort gave Harry a lightning bolt scar and transfered some of his powers to Harry (all apparently unintentional).

In the graveyard Voldemort had Wormtail cut Harry's arm and steal his blood, because Harry had powers he wanted (all on purpose).

I think mcgonagall is right and Dumbledore's look of triumph is because this is another sign of the truth of the prophecy. This time Voldemort has intentionally marked Harry, and acknowledged that Harry has powers he doesn't have--and wants.

I read this interesting theory over on mugglenet that said that blood is your life fluid (generally accepted) and that one of the ways Voldemort made himself mmortalo was by removing his own blood from himself.

ANyway, the notion is that by removing all blood ties to the earth, Voldemort made hiimself immortal.

I think this is as good a theory as any other and I think that by using Harry's blood to restore himself Voldemort figures he was getting all of his old powers back because Harry had all of Voldemort's powers (because Voldemort did "mark him as his equal") anyway I think that by using Harry's blood, Dd realizes that Voldemort has re-established his Earthly connections and can therefore be killed.

i am not very sure if this is the correct answer to ur question so here it goes. i think that dumbledore just seemed happy that he was correct about his suggestions on why he would use harry for the transformation.


swirlctw

Hm, I think the whole bone, flesh and blood thing isn't gonna work as Voldemort has expected.

1) He had to use a bone of a person he has killed himself.
2) He used flesh of Pettigrew who owes his life to Harry (and we all know about the wizards debt-thingy).
3) The blood was "spoiled" with love.

So Voldemort might have gotten vulnerable somewhere...

I like macgonagalls theory. It would be paradox if Voldemort killed Harry and survived himself - with Harrys blood in his body.

The question I wonder about is why didn't Voldemort die when the course rebounced? In a conversation with Wormtail he states that he had done something to protect him from dying. And maybe this thing now inverted and Voldemort is mortal again.
Dumbledore knows why Voldemort didn't die, I'm positive. So that gleam of triumph definitely means that Voldy made a mistake. A big one. :-)

Flutterflie

I agree with someones opinion that states that neither of them can live. I think that neither of them can live because if harry was to kill Voldemort some how Harry would feel the pain that VD is feeling because of his scar. I also agree about the paradox with VD, since the prophecy states that "neither can live well the other survives" , VD made a huge mistake by taking Harry's blood, and results in VD death! Hopefully in the end Harry doesn't have to make a choice to sacrifice him so that VD will die...

Superfan_Harry, your post is off-topic. This thread is for discussing the "gleam of triumph" in DD's eyes as the title states.

There are numerours threads available where you can talk about the Prophecy. The one that discusses specifically the "neither can live while the other survives" bit is this thread here.

i just finished reading GoF for the 3rd time and this is the first time i really truly thought about "...the gleam of triumphump in Dumbledore's eyes." and what it might mean. of course, at first i thought this might mean dumbledore could be evil or somethin... but that is just too crazy. there is no way he could be bad. so i agree with a lot people in this thread... this statement shows that Dumbledore knows something Voldemort doesn't.

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i think dumbledore will go evil in the future because in the goblet of fire when harry was telling dumbledore how voldemort had taken blood out of his arm and he could touch him now, it says harry thought for a moment there was a look of triumph in dumbledores eyes (well something like that) i dunno..what do you guys think?
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The full context in which Harry sees the "gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes" is that Voldemort now has Harry's
blood in him. Voldemort has a habit of forgetting details which can
be his downfall. On pages 652-653 of Goblet of Fire Voldemort says:
"His mother left upon him traces of her sacrifice... This is old
magic, I should have remembered it." In Chamber of secrets Tom
Riddle forgets that phoenix tears can heal. I think that
Dumbledore's gleam of triumph is that he has realized that Voldemort has once more done something which is going to bring about his downfall. Just what, I am not sure. Perhaps now he has enough human in him to die. Perhaps having Harry's blood in him will cause the Avada Kedavra curse to rebound on to Voldemort if it actual hits Harry. Remember that professor Binns has said that Dumbledore could do the dark arts. I suspect that Dumbledore is better versed in the dark arts than Voldemort is. He simply chooses not to use them.
Dumbledore says that it is our choices that are important.

What is the difference between Harry's blood and any other death eater's blood? If he needed an enymy, LV could have gotten some Auror. He went through a lot of trouble to get Harry's blood so as to negate the protection Harry has. That has to be because of the part of the prophecy that LV heard. He believes Harry is the one to vanquish him, so he wants to ensure that Harry doesn't stay around long enough to do that. He wants to be able to touch him without fearing the protection of Lily's sacrifice. That much is clear.
To Dumbledore...
If there was a risk that Killing Voldemort would in turn kill Harry, Voldemort would not try to kill Harry, because the reverse could also be true.

Why didn't DD try to kill LV? He does not believe that it is his destiny to do so. He has bought into the prophecy (as has LV) that only Harry can vanquish him. So his aim is to save Harry till the final show down.

What I don't understand is, how an accomplished leglimens like DD failed to spot Mad Eyed Moody switching. Another of my gripes against GoF

Now my concern is that "pensive" does not seem to have any locking mechanism. Harry was able to repeatedly get access to pensives. So the prophecy could still be leaked out. I am jumping to OoTP here, but it follows...

Hi mods, My apologies for posting multiple messages.

Just to explain my thoughts about the gleam....

It is probably additional proof to DD that Harry is truly The one . It is necessary for LV to mark Harry as his equal, to make the prophecy true. Of all the Aurors and all the surviving members of OoTP, including DD himself, LV chose Harry as his No 1 enymy.

You see, Firenze, I don't get it how you can apologize for posting multiple posts and yet carry on doing it.

All you need to do is use the 'edit' button (it's in the same row with others like 'quote' and 'report' on top right of your post) and you can add it that last bit you have in your second post there. Both of them are only 7 minutes between them so, it should be okay to edit them since I highly doubt many would have read the first one anyway.

So, please stop double-posting, okay!

yes - good thoeries guys!! but i think that DD knows something we dont (and it could very well be one of your theories), and we won't know until he tells us. It may be another slip-up or VD's as hes had a few in the past, i believe and it can be taken advantage of by Harry and/or Dumbly-dorr

Here's another angle on DD's gleam...

Harry got the special protection from Lily's blood since she gave up her life for Harry. Now Voldemort got that same blood coursing through his veins when he was resurrected so he can now touch Harry (when before, in PS/SS, when Harry touched Prof. Quirrell/possessed by Voldemort, Quirell was burned...). Now this protection wears out when Harry is an adult (17 yrs old). So what happens is that Voldemort will lose whatever is allowing him to touch Harry without burning. I think Dumbledore recognizes that in the final battle, Voldemort is vulnerable again without that 'ancient magic' while Harry has lots of it (love from friends Ron, Hermione...special someone like Ginny).

It's a little too hard to expound on but I think it's got something to do with how shallow Voldemort recognizes the love that is in Harry's blood.

I honestly haven't come across another opinion that Dumbledore was evil, which is what I believed for a while (I know, I know, the fact that he was killed by Snape proves that he wasn't). But this opinion was in part because of some of the hints that JKR dropped in her books. (We all know that she doesn't do this for nothing, but in this case it seems like she did). The most obvious hint was the "look of triumph", but there was also something that Hermione said: (probably not exact): "If we can't trust Dumbledore, we can't trust anyone." Considering JKR's tendency to throw everything totally off with some completely unexpected revelation, I was bracing myself for the unveiling of the Dark Lord Dumbledore. Okay, so maybe not that much of a revelation, but almost...I at least thought that maybe Dumbledore WAS the only one Voldemort feared...because he was even more twisted and power hungry than the Dark Lord himself. Yeah. I just realized how totally off I was in thinking something like this, but hey...you gotta be prepared for anything with JKR's writing. Did anyone else, at any point, think that there was something more...sinister to Dumbledore than met the eye? Just seeing if I'm a total nutcase or not.

~Calypso~

All too aware that this is a "first four" discussion but does anyone here - without going into any detail - think the the gleam in Dumbledore's eyes could have some connection to his knowledge of the horcruxes?

If so I will start another thread in the Book Six forum - thanks.


*** AMENDED BY OZ ***

Of course! Voldemort evidently needs Harry's blood to regenerate - that's why Dumbledore is pleased!

I have started a thread in the Book Six forum for those who want to contribute


Harry's Blood

I think he had the gleam because he realized that Voldemort, like Peter Pettigrew, owes his life to Harry. Remember, he says that when another wizard saves (in this case, gives) another's life, there is a special bond forged. the one wizard owes the one who helps him/her. Knowing that Voldemort is in debt to Harry would make Dumbledore very happy, I believe.

I think the gleam just confirmed what he already suspected about why the AK didn't worked on Harry. That's it really, means he was on the right track with one of his theories.

I read from this one page that J.K.R. has somewhere said that dumbledore's gleam of triumph is veery important in the book seven. Thís gleam happened in GoF.. but i dont have the english version of the book so i would be delighted if someone could tell me where did this happen.. and to awoid one liners.. tell me how do you think it's important.

Thanks

I didn't read the fourth book in English but I think that the gleam of Triumph is when Harry tells Dumbeldore warmtail took his blood to revive Voldemort and that after that Voldemort could touch him.

I'v got a theory, in book 3 Dumbeldore tells Harry that one day he'll be gald he saved warmtail's life, so I thought that maybe warmtail really didn't use Harry's blood, just made it seem like he did, so Dumbeldore may have guessed it when Harry told him and was glad that he was right that warmtail gave harry back for saving his life.

another theory is that maybe when Harry and voldemort will finally duel, the fact that Voldemort used Harry's blood to recover will help Harry defeat him.

I know these theorys sound unlikely but they'r the only reasons I can come up with for why Dumbeldore had that gleam in his eyes.

This is important an i realised it while i read book 4 When Harry explains about Voldemort using his blood to regenerate Dumbledore realises something or has an idea about How voldemort could be destroyed.

Harry's blood also contains alot of the the powerful magic of LOVE whereas before voldemort had none.Voldemort also despises this type of magic.Maybe with Voldemort using harry's blood it can be used as an advantage for harry, and Dumbledore realised this.

Yes.. that is what i though too..! Thank you.. But it's not over.. I want you to tell me about possible ways of destroying voldy.. and why it is so important..

Voldemort wants to kill harry by himself.. Why is this? and he started to think like this just when he got the blood of harry!!

1st book. Voldemort wanted quirrel to kill harry

2nd book basilisk'

3rd book ...

4th book to kill harry himself

5th book himself again

6th book still himself

So do you think this is meaningful?

Thanks

Right first of all Voldy i think voldy wanted quirrell to kill harry because thats all what was standing between him and philosophers stone didnt really matter if he didnt personally kill harry at this time because he was so close to getting his body back.

Secondly in Cos It wasnt the present day voldy it was just a part of his soul so it didnt act like the revenge seeking voldy who has started personally wanting to kill harry.

I think the main reason Voldemort wants to kill Harry personally is that its basically got more 'personal' as the storys gone on also now Voldemorts regenerated he wants to prove once and for all that he is a more powerful wizard than Harry.

I dont know how harry can kill voldemort,will he just beat him in a duel i doubt it.I think there will be a way Harry can use LOVE or something else thats unexpected and unknown to Voldemort

Some ideas.

It could as someone said higher have brought some love in Voldermord (although he couldn't stand being in Harry who's so full of love - OotP)

It could have given a life debt

He has been regenerated with the flesh of someone who has a life debt towards the person whose blood was another "ingredient" of regenerating. It may lead to an inner conflict.

It could mean that Harry is not a horcrux. (he couldn't be called "the enemy" in the ceremony of regenerating)

I too agree that the love in Harry's blood may impact the outcome of book seven, and that maybe it may cause Voldy to act unselfish at times, and his DE's to notice he was losing his touch. I think that:
THE SCAR ON HARRY POSSESSES A PIECE OF VOLDERMORT (mainly his powers) AND THE BLOOD NOW IN VOLDERMORT IS A PART OF HARRY. So each of them contains a part of the other, maybe Harry can learn to control the connection and feed false thoughts into Voldy, bit of a stretch, but it is plausable.

When Harry tells of the regeneration spell using his blood, Dumbledore seems triumphant. Here is the information on the protection from OotP (836):

“She gave you a lingering protection he never expected, a protection that flows in your veins to this day. I put my trust, therefore, in your mother’s blood. I delivered you to her sister, her only remaining relative.
[…] she took you, and in doing so, she sealed the charm I placed upon you. Your mother’s sacrifice made the bond of blood the strongest shield I could give you. […]
While you can still call home the place where your mother’s blood dwells, there you cannot be touched or harmed by Voldemort. He shed her blood, but it lives on in you and her sister. Her blood became your refuge.”

In GoF (656-657) Voldemort says:

I wanted Harry Potter’s blood. I wanted the blood of the one who had stripped me of power thirteen years ago…for the lingering protection his mother once gave him would then reside in my veins too…
[…] For he has been better protected than I think even he knows, protected in ways devised by Dumbledore long ago, when it fell to him to arrange the boy’s future. Dumbledore invoked an ancient magic, to ensure the boy’s protection as long as he is in his relations’ care. Not even I can touch him there…"

In GoF Voldemort was able to touch Harry but was ultimately thwarted from harming him, due to the help from the ‘echoes’ of people Voldemort had killed. These echoes were released from his wand because both his wand and Harry’s contain a feather from Fawkes. In the MoM we witnessed the result of Voldemort trying to possess Harry and his inability to sustain possession of him because Harry released his power of love. Voldemort’s words “The servant died when I left his body […]” imply that when he gains full gain possession the outcome usually is that the possessed one dies when he leaves their body. He also mentioned possessing snakes and other small animals, all of whose lives were shortened by his possession. He may attempt to possess Harry again as a way of killing him without using a wand but that method can be thwarted in the same way again.

To use the same wand is to tempt the brother wand effect; he can’t fully possess Harry without causing himself extreme pain or (maybe) harm. Possibly Voldemort plans to replace his wand with another in order to bypass the brother wand effect we saw in GoF. Further strengthening that supposition is Ollivanders disappearance in HBP. Whatever method he ends up choosing to kill Harry (and I’m guessing he’ll want to use a wand because he sets such store by magical methods as we saw in HBP) he will still have to go through whatever Dumbledore’s charm achieved with Harry’s blood. JKR says Dumbledore’s gleam of triumph is a huge part of what ends up happening in book 7. We know it has to do with the blood charm because Dumbledore reacted immediately after Harry told him and Sirius about Voldemort using his blood in the rebirthing. I believe Dumbledore hinted at it when he said that Voldemort shed Lily’s blood.

We know that AK does not cause bloodshed, it simply causes death. Why then, does Dumbledore say “He shed her blood […]” if we already know that didn’t literally happen when Voldemort cast the AK? It seems JKR via Dumbledore may be speaking figuratively to hint that if Voldemort again attempts to use the killing curse on Harry, he would be attempting to shed Harry’s blood. It is thanks to Harry’s blood that he regenerated his own body, and to Lily’s protection to which he owes his ability to touch Harry. In other words, he may have incurred a life-debt to Lily whose blood he wanted for the protection it afforded Harry. It may be better explained as simply as: Harry has a life-debt to Lily which Voldemort inherited by using Harry’s blood.

Another of Dumbledore’s statements contends that “the bond of blood is the strongest shield” he could have given Harry and that Lily’s blood is Harry’s refuge. If he made Lily’s blood into some form of shield that provides refuge for Harry, what would happen to a person with Harry’s blood running through his veins if he tried to AK Harry? Isn’t it possible that the curse would rebound?

What is also interesting to note, Voldemort called the protective charm—in which Dumbledore used Lily’s blood—ancient magic. If the ancient magic comes from the protective aspect of the spell this implies that ancient magic is based on love. If ancient magic is actually the origins of all magic, as I suspect, then all magic is based on acts of love. It would be a neat way to hammer home the idea that what is truly magical in the HP world, regardless if you’re a muggle or a wizard, is the ability to love.

Sorry I didn't read all the posts, only the first one so this might be a bit (or very) off-topic, but are you sure it's in the GoF? Did JK tell it's here or do you only think so? I'm asking only because when I saw the words "gleam of triumph" it was very familiar to me (but of course I couldn't remember) and I thought it could be from HBP. I may be a bit confused because I just finished english GoF and started Slovak HBP so it actually could be from GoF...
Ok, sorry, if this sounds silly, but... um.
Thanks for answering, though

wow i never new that. honestly im going to stop coming to this forum because its making me to excited about the the seventh book. i wish JKR would hurry up and begin writing it already. im going to look for the gleam of triumph now.

Thank you HP-fan for clearing this out. Yes, I remember now.
It was the little thing that staggered me for a while but I quickly forgot about that. These hings are always important I should write them next time re-reading books (but I know I won't). Hm.
If it is something of the kind that there will be more love in Voldy (like I think someone said here), it would rebound before, because this whole thing happened in GoF and I don't think that Voldy is somehow better as we could see in HBP.
Now, wait... I'm gonna read the huge post from HP_fan ---
---wow, I'm not sure I understood (um, I'm listening to radio). Voldemort shed Lily's blood because Harry shed it too and Voldemort get his blood in GoF, um... I bet I'm talking about something else than you...
however... Happy new year

Actually, Dumbledore phrased it that way; he said Voldemort shed Lily's blood--she died in the process of saving Harry: Harry owes his life to Lily--> a life debt. Voldemort owes the regeneration of his body thanks to Harry's blood (Lily's blood), now he may have a life debt to Lily because Harry would not be alive if not for Lily's action. Voldemort has Harry's blood (Lily's blood) running through his veins; this may have an adverse effect that he overlooked or ignored as per his usual disdain for ancient love magic.

Or it may be something else entirely, such as the charm Dumbledore placed on Harry. In OotP, Vernon was throttling Harry but he abruptly released his hold as if he'd received an electric shock from touching Harry (paraphrased). Isn't it possible that Dumbledore's protective blood charm caused Vernon pain because he was choking Harry? If that's the case wouldn't the same kind of effect take place if Voldemort attempts something similar?

To sum up, I speculate that the gleam of triumph may be something to do with these two scenarios. Voldemort may find it impossible to 'shed Lily's blood' (in other words, Harry's blood) due to the protection charm placed on him when Dumbledore sent Harry to the Dursleys; or possibly due to a life debt to Lily (or Harry).

Sorry my ideas were not clear; hope this helps. Happy New Year to you too, and everyone else!

Here's another thread discussing the topic that might help with your guys' theories:

http://www.veritaserum.com/forums/index.ph...leam+of+triumph

Hope it helps .

I think I understand better now and also thanks Feeder, I read the thread. (Btw, I think there shouldn't be two threads discussing the same thing...)

So; well... the "gleam of triumph" is definitely something good for Harry and bad for Voldy, I doubt DD is on the dark side as someone tried to say at the another thread. Seems like Voldy definitely made some mistake.
Then I agree with HP_fan, Harry has a debt to Lily because she saved him and now Voldy has it too, because he shed the same blood. (This is what you wanted to say, isn't it? You explained it well, I just want to make sure ) Um... is Voldy more stupid than we thought?

And the second thing are those Dumbledore's old protective charms. And about these... I don't have a clue. I don't have english OotP yet, so I can't check the part with Vernon. But why would DD place on Harry some charm against Dursleys (or anyone else who's choking Harry ecept LV)? They aren't great but they won't kill him. I think it was something which acts only against Voldy, you know.
Maybe the charms have something to do with whole blood thing but it can be something else as well. But I don't think it would act when someone is bullying Harry or choking or what (then Dudley's gang wouldn't have any fun ). On the other hand, this is again one thing which is confusing for a moment but you (well... I) forget about it after a while. Nah, I really don't know, now.
And DD placed these charms long long ago, so... they should've already proved, shouldn't they?

Congratulations if you'll be able to understand my post because it confused even myself.