yeha we know jaimie is always bragging about haveing his cool geeky girlfriend hahaha he says he loves his nerd
i stil don't know what i am.. jay help me out or there will be no eyeliner for you

really? in my school; people consider a geek to be a non-smart version of a nerd... (did that make sense?)
and that also brings us to the fact that geeks are also asscoiated with the nerd/goody-two shoes group...which in my opinion is pretty lame to have all these "groups"...
our school is made up of a lot of society groups...
andy...there is no other word for you but...strangely odd (ok, that was two words)...but that's a good thing! weirdness is cool!

Yea Mandi, Andy is right, Jamie is always bragging about his lovely geeky girlfriend. In a good way though. lol, is there a good way to put any steryotype?

Andy, I'm the same way, I don't know what catagory I would fit into. I love music and acting, so I guess most people at my school would call me a band geek. At my school the term band geek has extended to include anybody in the music/theatre department. A lot of people at my school classify me as emo, even though I don't dress/act like it, but since I hang out with a lot of people who do look the part, I get thrown into that mix. I would classify myself as a bit of a geek...I care about my grades. So I don't really know where I fall.

haha! band geek...j/k...true, I guess nobody truly knows where they belong in the confusing mix of society...I for one, don't have any idea of what I am, I guess i'm a bit of strange mix...popular, yet not popluar (does that make sense?)...i'm a nerd/geek (haha, strange, isn't it, since I am a regular procrastinator)...but yes, I always give all my spirit into any assignment, even if I am finishing it during school break on the morning it is due & yeah, I give a lot as to my grades (partially because my parents will chuck a fit at me; more so than usual if I fail)...I'm apparently goth/emo (because I like wearing black & to top it all off, I have dark eyes & hair to give me the "emo" appearance... )
I'm a 'sporty/athletic' kid...(I like to racetrack run & play sport while all the other girls like to freshen their makeup)...
I'm a 'drama freak', as my friend quotes, because I have a weird obsession for drama/acting/public speaking/debates...I love it! (hence my over-exaggerating personality)
I have been called a Drama Queen...
I am called a computer nerd; because yeah...I like to spend time surfing the net & playing with different programs

so yes...I don't think I truly 'belong' anywhere...o well, I actually prefer it that way...I can be uniquelly (ok, i know - not a real word, but you get my point, right?) me...

Blimey Jay you're kinda everything! *rolls eyes* i'm not confused..
Ok at our school, being british and having much smaller year groups, we have far less stereotypes. I'll break it down. In each class we have the 'cool' kids... popular, preps, completly boy obbsessed and generally horrid. Then there's the boffin group, the quiet ones who are always sweet but keep themselves to themselves for the most part. Then we have the odd ones. They're a mix of everything and just run round noisily, making a huge mess and geting us all told off. (not that the 'popular' kids don't do that to...) and then the last group is the leftovers. ( i am in this group ) we can't be classified as anything really. i'm the geek of the group, dare i say, and we tend to have a large underground network of friends. basically we can find out any gossip we want to, with ease. *cackle* not that that's a good thing....
im not sure how i am classified in myself. because i am a geek, but no one really knows that haha
blimey i've written a novel there ^^
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Well, I never really drew a distinction between the two. I always just considered them synonyms, but that sort of makes sense...in which case, I think I'd rather be a nerd
It seems like all of you are saying that you're not sure what stereotype you fall into because you've got characteristics of quite a few, but I think that's the point. I mean, that's why stereotypes are almost always wrong, because they fail to encompass the multiple aspects of a person's personality. I think maybe a handful of people actually fit their stereotype completely, and the rest of us have characteristics of quite a few. So, I don't really see why it's necessary to limit ourselves to one group or stereotype

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Well, I never really drew a distinction between the two. I always just considered them synonyms, but that sort of makes sense...in which case, I think I'd rather be a nerd
It seems like all of you are saying that you're not sure what stereotype you fall into because you've got characteristics of quite a few, but I think that's the point. I mean, that's why stereotypes are almost always wrong, because they fail to encompass the multiple aspects of a person's personality. I think maybe a handful of people actually fit their stereotype completely, and the rest of us have characteristics of quite a few. So, I don't really see why it's necessary to limit ourselves to one group or stereotype
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wow...well said...god, I feel like i'm reading the words' of wisdom...yeah, your right; stereotypes don't always cover the full aspects of a person...and yeah, I guess i'm actually quite happy I don't fit into anything!

thanx for that sophie...I could never have figured that out on my own...
hahaha, the 'boffin' group...sorry, but over here we've never heard of anything like that & well...it sounds funny ...it's like saying 'muffin'...(please ignore the weird spaz of my mind here....)

and oh yes...in my opinions nerds are awesome!

I always thought geeks were the smart ones, and nerd were the ones who just looked stupid in the huge glasses with buck teeth (hey i don't portray them like that, blame the media...)
the 'muffin' group...could be interesting *licks lips*
the boffin group are all the smart people who are really work concious.
Wow Mandi, you put that well! That is exactly why it's so wrong, usually stereotypes are the bad bits aswell, so it classifies someone by the bad parts of their personality not the good parts. eg. emos - cutting. geeks - bad clothes. blondes - dumb.
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really sophie you're in the leftovers? i always thought that you were one of the popular kids hahaha no offense but i did think that cause you're really fun ahhh well maybe girls at your school don't know how to recognize someone cool even if they smack em in the face...

the popular kids are generally horrid though. they all went to one of their parties a few weeks ago and were drinking and stuff. stupid pratts ! lol.
and i don't think slapping people in the face will help you get into the 'cool' group ....
but that groups renowned for ebing hated, even if they are supposedly 'popular' so im glad im not
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well soph that's the same everywhere, here it's the same, that's why i like being an outcast... like that i don't get involved with people i don't like
hey! i found my stereotype... outcast... they call me ponyboy hahahaha right.

Oh gross popualr kids, I have alot of them sitting in this class right now. They think they are s o cool. Blah blah blah, ya right they all came into this world the same way. What a load of poop. There is this kid his name is ben he is like perfect but a total Jerk. Arent all perfec tguys like that. YUCK! *cough cough*

kaili

popular kids do end up like that. i think we have one nice kid in that group.
althoguh i don't thinka ny groups are perfect, so we shouldn't really critisice the popular kids, (even if we are right )
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no we shouldn't, and there's no such thing as a perfect guy, or girl for that matter, and popular kids, i don't hate them, i actually feel sorry for them... they only follow the crowd.

I'm perfect... I usually got along with popular kids in school, but I never wanted to be part of the popular crowd. Most of them would go out and drink and do all kinds of stupid stuff, and I just wasn't into that, so we didn't really share the same interests. I was more interested in anime and Harry Potter. I think my group at school was more of a mixture of different clicks that just broke away from their groups.

- Phoenix

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not all girl school students are lesbains. (get that last one a lot ).

I totally feel your pain sophie
I hate it when people are like you go to a girl school??...*cough..lesbian..cough*
I have nothing against lesbians but just coz you go to a girl school doesnt mean you are one!

Also if you go to a private school..your automatically rich and posh....

seeing as im neither rich, posh or a lesbian i hate it when people jump to concusions....
sorry to go off on one

Hannah i agree. i am neither rich, nor posh nor lesbain. hmph.
Andy you can't feel sorry for them, it's their choice if they act stupid all the time. if they don't want to be with theire friends they could go and read, or something ( i do that all the time ). i think it's their fault for being narrow minded and following the crowd.
although i can be quite narrow minded at times.
Jamie i think my group's that too. Not sure really. pfft.
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I honestly fit into any of those. I dont have any friends that do, really... Its a just that, a stereotype. Its easier to give people labels then to learn anything about them. But thats life and people do it, its never going to stop.

yeah...that's kinda like me, although i'm not in the 'popular' group...I usually get along with them all...they even offered me to be in their group once...but although I conversed well with them...I never really wanted to be a part of their group...because, I like being unique, we were more just like friendly aquintances...

ok, so this is my hypothetical school stereotypes list
-we have the nice popular people who are friendly to everyone (the ones who get good grades in everything; but are never considered as nerds/geeks because of their popularity)
-we have the dirty populars- the ones who spend most of their time swearing, talking about boys, makeup...and best not to mention the rest...
-we have the sporty/athletic kids
-we have in-the-middle people...(these people are not recognised as much, and therefore they have an un-original classification)
-We have the "Drama/band kids"
-we have the punks/goth/emo social outcasts (who are generally avoided)
-Then we have the geeks (or...as sophie calls it the "boffin" group )...these people are quiet hard workers...but never seem to get top grades, despite their hard efforts
-then we have the nerds, who are exceptionally smart

and there's a whole lot of other randomn groups....but point being, I think these "popularity/Loser" groups are pretty dumb...they stereotype all kinds of people, yet they don't (probably didn't make sense, but bear with me)....

Wow, so many posts...

Jay, I'm like you, I kinda just go with everything. Like I said before:

• I'm a band geek-play flute (and I have heard every joke about flute players on the planet), am in choir, and am involved in all the plays and musicals. And at my school any one thing to do with the theatre department gets you called a band geek. I'm in all three!
• geek-I care about my grades. Even though end up doing all big projects at like 1 in the morning the day it's due, I do care about my grades and work to get good grades
• I'm an emo-not really, but since a lot of my friends (fellow band geeks!) would be called emo because they wear mainly black, I get called one too on the basis that I hang around with them, so must be one of them
• rich snobs-I'm not rich or a snob. But my neighborhood is the rich one in town, therefore I get called it.
• White trash/gangster-again, I wouldn't really say I fall into either of those, but my old neighborhood is well, not very nice so...
• Drama queen-I blow everything out of porportion...

The only group I would say I don't fit into would be the popular/cheerleader/sl*ts.

Sophie, you'd fall into the leftovers? I wouldn't have guessed that. I would have picked you as a popular girl anyday. Not in a bad way though, I look at the popular girls into two groups. Like, one of my best friends on the planet is a cheerleader, I've known her since we were like 5 and I love the girl. She's the nicest girl on the planet. I get so mad because I hear other girls calling her by not nice names just because she is a cheerleader, and really, they don't know her at all, because anybody who knows her knows she's the nicest person ever. I pictured you as kinda the same position.


That made me think of another one that I started getting as of well, um..yesterday. lol. Yesterday was a day of silence to support gay rights. I'm not gay, but I have a few close friends who are, so I went the whole day without talking. I can't tell you how many people have come up to me today and asked me if I'm a lesbian.

At school, i get chucked into the nerd/emo group - and really, im neither of them!!

Yes, i do get good grades and i tend to be near the top of most of my subjects, but i still like to just muck around and have fun! People pay me out, saying that i lock myself into my room getting meals pushed under my door until i learn EVERYTHING off by heart and all these others jokes that really get under my skin. And no matter how much i tell them im not like that, they dont believe me! I also get really teased by the popular kids - i just dont get along with them. Maybe because they are so mean...they all hate each other but act like best friends.

And then the emo bit...geez, i get called emo coz i have brown hair and listen to rock music. Like seriously, i dont think people at school know what the word even means...how annoying.

But this is why i hate stereotypes - so many people get called something they arent and we never get to know who people truly are. We just dont see past other people's "cliques" and judge people before we meet them. Someone might see someone labelled a "nerd", but just dont even know that they like to have fun and be stupid - everyone just thinks they study all day.

I know, it gets so annoying. I also get the racial steryotypes because I'm 50% German and 50% Irish, and both countries are well known for their alcohol/drinking. I can't tell you how many times people have made comments to me about how I must be an alcoholic because of me heritage. Ironically though, my family and I joke around all the time about how we were born with drinking in our blood. But it's somehow different when my family says it, and when kids at school do.

i'm worse...I have almost-black hair & I tend to wear black a lot (because its' my fav colour) and I like to listen to evanescence songs...BUT I AM NOT EMO!!!

So true...(well, i know for one that i'm in the bottom of my maths class)...but in other subjects i'm actually alright...people often think i'm nerdy...but o well...stuff them...

oh and kristina...the kids at your school are so mean (well, those who comment on your racial status anyway).....

Sure Jay, whatever you say...just kidding. Okay, so I think everybody in here, at least recently, has been steryotyped as Emo. lol. And none of us actually are. I don't know why, but i find that funny.


I'm the same way, except it's my Spanish class I'm struggling in, but that's not my fault. My teacher basis almost half of our grade on participation, and then never calls on me. Well, how am I supposed to participate if he won't let me talk?


Actually, most of the kids at my school are mean. Don't get me wrong, I love my friends, but in general I can't stand most of the kids at my school. They are all so full of steryotypes and drama and ****.

Yeah it is. I live in Australia and have Greek heritage and the amount of people who call me a "wog" is unbelieveable. I don't mind my family saying it because we are all the same and can take it as a joke, but when people at school say it you can really tell that they have a racial prejudice. It hurts a lot and i constantly feel different to everyone else because of it. I mean, i get told to "go home" so often, but i was born here and it is my home! where do they expect me to go?



yeah i get what you mean...but hey! i listen to evanescence too, i actually got to go to their concert 2 months ago...but anyway, back on topic lol
yeah people with black hair, etc. do get paid out more than me which is quite unfair...like there is nothing wrong with black! everyone wears it!

People can be so stupid that way. I'm in America, and I was born here, and my parents were both born here, but since my grandparents weren't I get all these racial comments about being Irish and German. I am fairly certain I have heard every joke known to man about my heritage. It doesn't help that I managed to somehow inherit my grandmother's accent...But what can we do? It's like Jay said, "Stuff them."

Oh. I live in Aussie too...and I know what you mean...I also have a very mixed heritage as well, and plus I wasn't even born here...but fortunately, no-one has dared to comment on me....
you get called a wog?...you know the strangest thing is...I have about 3 italian girls in my class, who are actually proud of being a "wog"...they go around writing stuff like "Wogsta babe" and things like that...

haha, everybody knows better to mess with you Jay.

Okay, feeling a little stupid here, but what is a wog? I started to comment on it, and then realized I really don't know what your saying. lol.

ok, kristina *pulls out big dictionary*...
a wog is a basically a slang term for someone who is a native Middle-East European...i.e italian, greek, argentinian etc, etc.
it's like a racial classification like "Blacks" or "Curries"...

Yeah i know a few people who do that, but i kind of think in a way, that its asking people to call you that. And i dont exactly like drawing attention to that part of me exactly. I'm proud of having greek heritage, but i dont want everyone to know about it. I know the people who dont know would tease me a lot if they did.


Oh dw you aren't stupid. Firstly, "wog" stood for "worthy Oriental gentleman" - i think. But then it kind of became an insult to anyone born of European heritage basically. I dont know the meaning that well, but i know why some people use it towards others.

Edit: oh, looks like ChOco got in before me lol

Ah got it. Thanks Jay! In that case I can understand why you would be offended. I hate it when people make comments to me like that, although I don't actually know of a term used to describe Irish/German people. Oh wait, I do for the German part. whenever we are studying world war two in History class I get all these comments about being German and supporting Hitler and stuf. It really makes me mad, because my grandfather was actually in a concentration camp when he was like 12-13. And they joke around about it like it's nothing.

the first step is to admit it jay.... hahaha joking * hands jay black eyeliner* i'm forever grateful with stef now hahahaha joking again.. jeeze i'm so funny ha ha ha ha.. ok whatever...



oh yeah i told off my social studies teacher because he was talking about jews like if they deserved it... and their was a jew in the class, so she was all intimidated and i told him off... unfortunately i wasn't able to take my 3rd unit exam and therefore failed but still i was happy becasue i told my teacher to shut up and of course i never have a point becasue why? because i'm 16 and adults always have to be right... that's a bunch of bull

that is mean & rude!...*punches history kids* hitler is not something to joke about...and I hate people who judge another by their eithics...it's downright terrible...

yeah...I know...i'm actually part "wog"...and I honestly don't like to draw attention to that much...

haha, or your just easily amused. Your choice. lol.


Oh I know, I hate that about adults, especially my parents, they think that just because I'm only 15 I don't have a clue what I'm talking about. (sorry, I know that's kinda off topic, but it's kinda a steryotype about teenagers being stupid or something...okay, now I'm confusing myself, so shutting up now... lol.)

no you're not off tpoic because adults steretype us like dumb teenagers that drool over hanson... hahahaha
i can outsmart my teachers anytime... they should really think twcie than to start debating with me

and yes i'm easily amused.

...it's so funny that I forgot to laugh...fancy that...I blame stef, yet again

you should have punched him! (ok, don't take my seriously...i'm just a bit hyper)...god, just because you were standing up for what's right, doesn't mean he should cancel your exam...

haha, like I said, I confused myself, don't listen to me...but I was on topic? yay! go me! lol.


blaming stef is fun. lol.

I probably would have punched him. I hate when teachers open up something like that, and then when you disagree with them they get mad at you. Don't start a topic like that if you don't like where we may go with it!

see if i did that i would probably be expelled, but if noti would do that... nice clean swing * shut up dumb teacher it's my opinion * hahahah nice

and jay... don't blame stef... i'm the one bothering you, but ok i won't any more... *shakes jay's hand*

Ah well, I'm generally known as a good student. (goes with that whole geek thing. lol.) so I'd probably just get suspended. lol. Teachers like me. Even if the students don't.

kristina teachers hate me... hahahaha students... also i tend to be a pain to anyone i don't like... so that means the majority , wow you guys are part of the small minority i like ... ok back on tpic, today i was stereotyped as "darky" don't know what the heck is that but i think it means "person who dresses in black and doesn't listen to reggeaton and pop" oops!

Lol! This topic is what I had to do a book report thing on in my English class this year. I read a book called Princess Ashley. Ummmm..... Don't read it......

I suppose of the six categories you mentioned in the first post I would be categorized as a prep. Kind of. I'm not REALLY preppy- But I'm definitely not goth or something like that!

So, for all of you not-Americans: How are Americans stereotyped? Are we considered reckless and kind of trashy? Or are we considered more innovative, care-free and adventurous? I've always been curious about that! Please be brutally honest!

I feel so loved! lol.


hmm...trying to decide if I should be offended or not by how opposed you are to the idea of being called a goth or emo or something like that. lol. Ah well, I would hate to be catagorized as a prep, so I guess we're even. lol.

Ooooh I agree, Jay and Andy, what do you guys really think of us Americans?

i hae nothing against all americans, some of you guys are nice and hey i'm more american than mexican, i was raised over there so...
i only dislike rasist americans the rest i can't say anything cause i don't know them, but i suppose they're nice hahaha
i only holda horrible grudge on president bush, but i'm not going to start ranting on politics here...

kristina you're cool specially cause you can play the piano:D and Jojo i don't know you so i can't say anything... gosh why am i so honest hahaha

Well, I hold quite a bit against rasist Americans as well so...is it considered steryotyping to not like people who stereotype? (and does that make any sense? lol)


Yess, lets steer clear of all things political. (I have devoloped a phobia of politics after years at the dinner table with my father, grandfather and cousin arguing-Father is democrat, grandfather is republican and cousin is I don't know what, insane. lol. Not a good combination)


Oh yea! go piano *gives Andy hi-5*

*hesitates...then calls a truce*...what were we fighting over again?

..same here...the only teachers that actually like me are the Drama, English & DT teachers...all the rest detest me...

americans, eh?...um, well apart from their government (G.W.B to sum it all up), I don't really have anything against them...o wait, yes I do...I hate how some americans think that just because they come from america; means that they are better than Australians or any other country population.
apart from that, i'm good with them.

haha, well, not many of us here are too happy with our government either. lol. Yea, we do tend to be a bit full of ourselves, don't we.

I'm surprised. Nobody said anything about our crazy recklessness. You always hear people going on about how the reason we're the worst is because we are so stupid (the teens here).

recklessness? nope...i've never heard that & american in the same sentence before...
although now that you mention it....
Ok, another Stereotype that bugs me (I dunno why, but it just does)...why are all redheads considered temperemental?...my friend is a red-head and she's literally the calmest living thing on the planet...

well look at jaimie he's not temperemental at all... hahaha joking, ok well i've only had two red headed friends and one is jaimie and the other one is really nice, and actually has a temper but hey, that's just a coincidence...

well, if anyone's temperemental...it's me...and i'm a (I dunno)...black/brown haired weirdo...but anyway, yeah...
ok, another annoying stereotype to me is ...
"All indian/mexican/arabian good is spicy!"
I mean, ok...these country's are known for their spice, but that deosn't mean every food of theirs is spicy ...

hahaha jay, i like this one and yes not all of our food is spicy.. well at least we do have some dishes that aren't spicy, but there are alot indian and arabian food that are spicy really spicy.... hahaha