gaburdette
Apr 6 2006, 07:35 PM
The Daily Prophet
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gaburdette
Apr 7 2006, 01:42 AM
The Daily Prophet1st EditionIs a man who helps a child in need a pervert?Welcome to the first edition of the Daily Prophet! I thought I would start out with a light subject to begin with.
The title seems a bit silly doesn't it? But before you make any decisions read this article by the Canadian writer Wendy McElroy. She runs a web site called ifeminist.com and writes weekly columns dealing with women, children and men. The article is located
here. It is carried each week by Foxnews.
The first case she examines deals with a man in England who saw a small child who had wondered away from a daycare. Fearing he would be labeled a pervert or be accused of trying to kidnap the child, he drove off. The child was later found dead in a pond. During the current board of inquiry into the child's death he testified to his reasons for not helping right then.
Was this a reasonable action. On the surface most would say no but consider the second case presented out by Ms McElroy. A man in the US nearly hits a teenage girl who stepped out in front of his car. She is alive only because he was paying attention to the road. Instead of driving off he stopped and grabbed the girls arm to lecture her about being careful and to let her know how close she came to dying that day due to carelessness. Nothing else happened.
So what was his reward for caring enough about the girl. He is now a registered sex offender for his actions. By grabbing her arm he commited a sex crime on a child. He can no longer live near schools or parks and his job opportunities are almost none existent.
While both these cases are extreme, Ms. McElroy points out that men see these cases and react to them. Most that know me here know that I have three young girls so I spend a lot of times at parks. I see children get hurt all the time and there is no way I would touch a stranger's child to help them for the very reasons discussed in this article. I will help them find their parents but I make sure I never touch them. I really hate not being able to pick a child up and brush the dirt off their knees but the way society is today there is no way I would risk it. I have a family too that has to be protected.
Any thoughts or comments?
traz-ak
Apr 7 2006, 02:00 AM
Wow... Well, as it happens, I've actually known someone in a vaguely similar situation, who has been labeled as such, registered, and all that, all for nothing that he really did wrong. Between that and stories such as this, I know I would be equally hesitant in how to deal with such a situatoin. I would hardly hold Mr. Peachey responsible. Considering the result, I would think that there may have been a better course of action for him to take, but at the same time, I totally get why he reacted in the way that he did. Personally, I wouldn't have any idea what to do in that situation. I think I may be too afraid to act too directly, but... Considering the result, I couldn't very well justify taking no action at all. It seems like a total Catch-22. Whichever way one reacts, there's still a bad outcome.
EDIT: Also... Good idea on The Daily Prophet, by the way. This should be an interesting addition.
felix_felicis_444
Apr 7 2006, 02:07 AM
Wow....that is really confusing. What would I do in such a situation?
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| The first case she examines deals with a man in England who saw a small child who had wondered away from a daycare. Fearing he would be labeled a pervert or be accused of trying to kidnap the child, he drove off. The child was later found dead in a pond. During the current board of inquiry into the child's death he testified to his reasons for not helping right then. |
This first story is just horrible. To be honest, and this is just my personal belief, I would rather save a child's life by picking him off the street and returning him to his daycare than letting him go out of fear I would be labeled a "pervert" -- fully aware that he is a small child with little to no judgement -- where he has a possibility of dying. If you
really do not want to go over to the child because you are afraid of getting falsely accused of something which is untrue, the
least you can do is drive back to the daycare and report to the manager or worker that you spotted one of their children wandering around outside! I feel terribly for the poor kid's parents. How would you like it (and I am sorry for presenting one of these 'how would you like it...?' scenarios, I personally hate them myself) if you found out that your little child was found dead, but one man could have saved him, but did not out of fear that he would be labeled a "pervert" or "kidnapper"!? I would definitely hope that if this kid were
my child, the man would have done
something! Well, although I deeply sympathize with both the child, the parents, and the man who is getting in trouble, the blame lies almost fully on the daycare center. How on earth does a small child "escape" from a daycare center!? That baffles me...their job is to control the kids, keep them safe, make sure they are happy, and give them something to do for the day while the parents are at work, and they obviously fail at everything. No control, not keeping them safe, and clearly not attending to them if none of the workers realized one of the kids was not even there!
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Was this a reasonable action. On the surface most would say no but consider the second case presented out by Ms McElroy. A man in the US nearly hits a teenage girl who stepped out in front of his car. She is alive only because he was paying attention to the road. Instead of driving off he stopped and grabbed the girls arm to lecture her about being careful and to let her know how close she came to dying that day due to carelessness. Nothing else happened.
So what was his reward for caring enough about the girl. He is now a registered sex offender for his actions. By grabbing her arm he commited a sex crime on a child. He can no longer live near schools or parks and his job opportunities are almost none existent.
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As for this second case, I have heard soooo many stories so similar like this one. All I can say is that I must side with the man. He was probably so nervous for almost killing a girl that he was not even in the right state of mind. The Illinios government should have taken that into consideration. After people get into car accidents, tehir adrenaline content in their blood rises off the roof, which often causes them to act purely on instinct -- whether that means swivering off the road to prevent yourself from hitting other cars, or running out to help the girl and tell her to be more careful. What was the man supposed to do...watch her on the ground possibly struggle to get up. She must have been in such sever shock, she did not know what happened. Just out of curiosity, if he did not help her up, yet she was unable to get up herself, would he have been sued for another crime? Is there any law saying anything about this if anybody knows?

Just out of my own curiosity

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It is flaws like these in American law and just society in general that just do not make sense.......
_daviD
passerby
Apr 7 2006, 03:22 AM
Here's the thing: If someone grabbed my daughter's arm and lectured her for running out in the street-I would definately be more grateful that they didn't run over her than mad at them for touching her. Of course, my daughter's 2, so she's not out of my sight for more than a couple of minutes a day.
I guess it aggravates me that people are so afraid of the bad consequences doled out on someone who once did something wrong, even when their intentions were good. One bad person ruins it for a a myriad of good intentions. I know, better to be safe than sorry in most cases. But, better to risk the criticism than be ruled by fear and responsible, in part, for a worse injury or death.
And then there are those cases where the person who "helps" really does do something horrible and disgusting. It's impossible to tell today who'd to what to whom and when. (I'd go into the cons of pornography, but I won't-just know that it relates.)
My solution-never let my kids out of my sight. Impossilbe, you say? Watch me!
traz-ak
Apr 7 2006, 07:42 AM
The problem is that the consequences can be so severe for so little of a thing. It doesn't take much for it to change your entire life, the way you live, and even your ability to live anything resembling a normal life. I'm not saying that makes it the least bit okay to just let a child go in danger, but I certainly think it's more than enough to give pause and even to muddle up in someone's mind what they should or should not do in such a situation. I think that the man should have done more than he did, definately. But that doesn't mean I think that fault lies with him, or that I don't get why he didn't. And I can respect that he at least owned up to it afterward. Most wouldn't even do that much. I think the law and the way it's handled is where there's really the most trouble with this situation. People who take advantage of a situation and/or (in particular, especially) a child should be punished to the absolute full extent of the law. But it's horribly unjust that our panic over making sure that that gets done ends up punishing good people just as severely.
Louise
Apr 7 2006, 10:20 AM
Absolutely brilliant thread, guys

And a very good topic to start us off indeed - I must say, I'm impressed!
Funny enough, something similar happened to my mother years ago. She was late night shopping over at one of the local department stores and she noticed this little girl who seemed to be lost - she was just standing my the lifts and sobbing, so obviously, first thing that came into her mind was that the kid could have been me or my sister, and what would she want someone else to do if we were lost. So, she went up to the girl, asked her what her name was, what was the matter, if she'd lost her mummy...you know, the type of thing that people say. She couldn't get a word out of this kid, but she didn't want to leave her on her own incase someone with far less pure motivations took her.
But apparently, one of the store detectives had seen my mum talking to this little girl, and before too long, she came over and asked what was going on. My mum explained, but the detective was really cold and suspicious, and when this kid eventually did find her mum (who was on the second floor - some mother, eh? Not even on the same floor...you'd think she'd notice her kid was missing) not one of them said thank you to my mum - she just got cold shouldered. Heaven knows what they must have been thinking, but when I heard what had happened, I was just about ready to blow a gasket. The thing is that my mum said that the whole thing has made her very wary now - you know what the right thing to do would be, but how do you do the right thing without getting labelled as a pedophile?
It's ridiculous. Absolutely ludicrous. That people are afraid to help anymore for fear of the consequences.
I don't understand these ridiculous laws anyway - I don't know who the government thinks they're protecting. Do you know in this country, we're not even allowed to camcorder school plays or football matches anymore? I mean, how stupid is that? If I was a pedophile and bent of filming little kids, I'd go to the local park and do it or sit in my car and film them in the school yard. All these laws do is make people afraid to watch out for each other and make it difficult for parents. They don't protect anyone.
Absolutely stupid. And they call what happened in that last case justice? Wow...I'm just amazed at the sheer stupidity that exists all around us every day. Incredible. I mean, the guy was frightened - he could have just killed someone, he clearly wasn't thinking straight - all I can think of is that he must have had an exceptionally pathetic lawyer and a very judgemental, up tight jury.
corijp
Apr 7 2006, 01:02 PM
It's a poor stigma that our men have to deal with in society. While I'm not denying there are men out there with impure intentions, not all men are sex offenders. It's a sad world when fear of consequences keep an individual from saving the life of a child. In the US, the Good Samaritan Law protects an individual from legal responsibility in the situation that a person helps to prevent injury/death of an individual. But in the case of the man who grabbed the girls arm, where was the justice in that situation?
If it was my daughter who wandered off, I would be grateful that somebody found her and brought her home safely.
It's horrible, but I suppose the only solution is the one Janet proposed: Don't let you kids out of your sight.
Pixymajik
Apr 7 2006, 01:57 PM
*sigh* I feel that it is a very sad world that we live in.

Where I work, there are two males. One of them had flat out refused to work with children under 2-2 1/2 where he has to change nappies. His reasoning being that he's scared of being accused of something. I've seen him change a nappy before- there's no problem with it in terms of 'ewww, nappies' or anything like that, he just purely doesn't want to put himself in any position where he might be accused of anything. The other one has no problem with it at all, however has often requested that someone else be within viewing during any of those times.
A woman I work with husband, who is a teacher as well as first aid officer, was questioned at a time because he 'touched a girl's breasts'. He was giving the girl- unconscious at the time- CPR. Effectively, he saved her life and yet people are more worried about the fact that in order to do that, he had to put his hands on her chest.
I found it interesting reading Louise's story about her mother. I've noticed that people are a lot more receptive of me talking to children when I'm in my work uniform- which is very well known locally as well as very obviously being an Early Education Centre- then when I'm in plain clothes. Along with that, I am more like to chat to young children or assist them when I'm in uniform than otherwise- unless it's one of those occasions where the child or parents know me and in that case, it is usually because of work or Guiding.
There seems to have been some stage in society's life where we have become over obsessed with legalities, protection of self and labelling of others. We so badly want to find a 'cure' for the problem that a whole bunch of new problems have been created. I personally would be so careful of having anything to do with children when I'm not in uniform because of the many labels that people seem to stick on you. But opposing that, when I'm in uniform- it's almost expected that I will watch other people's children for them (especially when they are chatting to other parents) and if I DIDN'T do anything if one of them fell of a playground or something else then I would probably be looked down on for not helping.
I agree that things have gotten ridiculous. We live in a society where you aren't allowed to touch a child in fear of it being labelled as 'abuse' or 'molestation'. It used to be known as 'Disciplining' and 'affection' without anyone batting an eye.
I certainly would never say that I was ever abused or inappropriately touched and there doesn't seem to be much difference in how people are doing it now---- it's just that society needs something to blame and this is perceived as being a reasonable outcome
Omerus_Banning
Apr 7 2006, 03:50 PM
I find it shameful that it has come to pass that people feel they have to worry about helping someone for fear of retribution. You see it everywhere these days, people suing their rescuer because they broke on of their ribs giving them CPR (while saving their life), being looked at as suspicious because they help a kid who's fallen off his or her bike, etc...
It's sickening, really.
I have two kids, a boy who's almost 4 and a little girl who's just about 3 months old. If I am at the park with them, the oldest playing and my youngest with me in the stroller, I can talk to other little kids and parents don't think anything of it. If I am walking down the street alone, however, and happen to help a kid who's fallen down or is lost, suspisious glares are the norm. I do still help kids who are hurt or lost, but I have changed the way I approach them: I usually look at them from afar, call out to them and ask if they are OK and need help. I try to locate a responsible adult, be it parent or guardian, and failing that usually approach them by telling them that I am there to help them if they need me to. Usually, very little kids, say up to 5 years old, are usually fairly close to their parents or guardian. Older than that, they are usually able to tell me how to get their parents or, if they are seriously hurt, can usually understand that they may nee to get out of the street or sit down while I try to locate their parents.
But the situation remains, I do this and run the risk of a parent saying somehow did something to their kid. Scary stuff indeed.
Ygraine
Apr 8 2006, 12:49 AM
*sigh* Normally i would say don't get me started on this matter. But it's something that's close to my heart.
It's ridiculous.
Yup. Farcical that a man cannot help a child in need without being accused of being a peadophile. When i was growing up I played a lot in the street, it was quite suburban area and not a lot of cars. I lived next door to a large Banglideshi family and I know for a fact if their dad saw me or any kid in the road and a car was coming he would have ran out and grabbed me and told me off. Something that comforted my parents, not scared them.
Others people fathers even 15 years ago might not have done that. My mum thought that he came from Bangledesh (sorry can't spell) that their society was different that grabbing a child who you might think in danger wouldn't be classed a a bad thing. BUt i don't know, maybe he just didn't want any of us to die.
Now a man can't simpy watch children play without being classed as a peadophile. Also on these day care schemes that lesiure centres do in the holidays there are only young woman minding the children, no men at all! Some parents just don't feel comfortable with a man there.
When I had a childminder i had a male one, i'm a very huggy person and even more so as a child. Dave, my childminder, would never touch me at all, or my brother, he was alway very careful about that. He would never take me to the toliet on anything like that. It was sad that he could barely do his job properly without being labeled a peadofile. I didn't know this all at the time, but i've found it out recently. My mum never told anyone that we had a male childminder because of all the stigma that she would get. She told someone once and they called her a bad mother to leave her kids with a man. It was insulting. I didn't like my Childminder (long story) but he never abused me! I was hurt when my mum was telling me all of this, that people could have had so little faith in him. He looked after me for 5 years...
The scariest part is that he looked like Michael Jackson.
About the man not helping the child i agree with David that he should have doe something, phone the day care centre and say that he had found a child wondering. But more the day care centre! It makes you scared that you are trusting your kids in these places and they can't seem to look after them properly.
About the man grabbing the girl an tellling him off. I think it's what most people would have done, i that situation. Surely the girls parents were more happy that she was alive and unharmed and concerned that their daughter didn't seem to know the green cross code? than i man touching her arm!
I know what you mean Louise about not allowing to film school plays and the like. it's more likely that they'll go to a park and film them from a park.
Did anyone see that eppisode of Brass Eye? Oh that was so funny. There were so many complaints about it after wards though, saying that it was making peadofila comic. What is was doing was making fun at all the hysteris that everyone is in about child porn and the like. If you haven't seen it, i recomend that you do. Chris Morris is a genious!
Quality Quidditch Supplies
Apr 8 2006, 05:24 AM
I like the Daily Prophet thread, IS. Good job!
People have been complaining about the laws, and with that I wholeheartedly agree. I think that most of the laws, at least in the US, are stupid, and really only stop good people from being able to live in a completely harmless, and sometimes beneficial way.
But also, what about the people who are pressing charges? Why would the parents of this 14 year old girl press charges when it was clearly their childs fault? I know that my parents would have been incredibly angry with me for being so careless and not paying attention, and told me how lucky I was to have run in front of someone who was paying attention.
It's pathetic, really, what society has sunken into.
Before I could drive, and have a real job, and all that stuff, I used to babysit alot for one family in particular, a little girl of about 4 and a little boy of 7. It never crossed my mind at the time that maybe somebody would think something along these lines about me, if I was playing with the two of them in the backyard or whatever. It's sickening to think about it.
But in the cases where this is a real threat, where something has actually happened, I sometimes feel that however many years behind bars are given to these perverts, it's not enough. There's a fine, fine line between having laws that are flexible enough to stop innocent people being accused and convicted of this, and yet so severely punish the actual offenders that they never see the light of day again.
gaburdette
Apr 8 2006, 10:07 PM
| QUOTE (Quality Quidditch Supplies) |
| But also, what about the people who are pressing charges? Why would the parents of this 14 year old girl press charges when it was clearly their childs fault? |
That's my biggest fear. There are parents out there that have no sense of reason. Whether it is a parent complaining because you touched her daughters breasts while performing CPR or situtions like the one with the man nearly hitting the girl, there are some parents without any sense of reason. My understanding of the case of the man nearly hitting the girl was that it was pushed by the girls parents. The judge and jury both sided with the man but because of the way the laws are written, they had no choice.
My two oldest girls attended a part time pre-school to prepare them for school. One way the school keep prices down was that the second adult required in the class was always a parent. Usually me or my wife was the parent helper once a month. I remember one day a girl needed to go to the bathroom. I started to walk her down the hall and the teacher panicked. I wasn't going into the bathroom with her, just escorting her to the restrooms. That was one of the jobs of the parent helper. But because I am a man it was not acceptable. The teacher was a family friend so I know it was not an issue with her. It had to be a school policy against men being alone with the children. There was no such policys against the women who were helping. On top of that, to be a parent helper we had to pay the school for background checks on us. Its really sad that our society has sunken to the point of thinking so little of men.
Ygraine
Apr 9 2006, 04:31 PM
| QUOTE (Greg) |
| That's my biggest fear. There are parents out there that have no sense of reason. |
I think that they are blinded by fear. Don't get me wrong peadofilia is a terrible thing and unfortuanly is rather real. But it's no where near as a problem as the media is saying it is. Cases of children being abducted by a peadofile are very rare. What is more common is children being sexually abused by a family member, or their father (although still very rare if you think about it.)
I know a girl who was adopted and was sexually abused by her adoptive father. She's now emotionally damaged, but i think he birth mother had serious mental problems as well, which would explain why the girl is. Even though it's a tragic case it doesn't make me fear families who have adopted children, thinking them all sexual abusers i still respect them, as i realise that raising a child that isn't yours can be tough. I want to adopt children and i hope that people wouldn't automatically think that my husband (still have to find him, lol) was automatically a sexual offender as he chose to adopt kids!
Cases of peadofila are very rare! And i also think that peadofilia is almost a disease. Near where i live there is a prison that's famous for rehabiltationg sex offendes, mainly peadofiles. Even though i think that sex offenders should serve a long time in prisons i still believe in rehab for them, don't get me wrong, i don't think that they should ever be allowed to work any where near children or even live in an estate where lots of children play outside a lot etc...
Louise
Apr 9 2006, 08:33 PM
You know, I have a bit of a unique perspective on the issue of pedophilia which I hope you find as interesting as I did when I acquired it...
Do you know how they treat pedophiles? They don't - per se. You know why? Because it's seen in psychiatric circles as a 'sexual preference', just like being gay or lesbian or bi-sexual - unless, of course, a pedophile kills a child, in which case, it's something else entirely. Psychopathy is certainly a disease that needs treating, but the medical profession doesn't view pedophilia as a disease. It just so happens that this particular preference is unacceptable in our society. In other societies, it's quite acceptable. Absolutely ludicrous, because the thing is that this particular 'preference' involves underage people who can't possibly understand the full implications of what's going on, which is why it's so horrifically unacceptable and it's down to society to protect the vulnerable party - i.e the child. Therefore, these people can no more be cured of pedophilia than a gay man can be cured of being gay. It's the way they are. Which means that if they can't be treated, and you can't lock them all up for fear that they may do something one day, they need to be watched and monitored - which is what the register is for. So that parents have the power and the control to be able to protect their children from these people - it is ultimately always down to parents. You can't rely on society or people doing the right thing to watch out for your kids anymore because no one will do it. They're scared of being prosecuted, scared of being accused...it's easier to stand by and do nothing, a wonderful little thing in social psychology called Diffusion of Responsibility. No one is going to watch out for your kids anymore other than you.
So what of the parents who, instead of being relieved, choose to prosecute? Do they think they're serving justice? Protecting someone else's child? Nope. There's only one thing they're looking at - a dollar figure in a civil court for damages.
Compensation culture strikes again. Sad, I know, but it's the product of a society we've made for ourselves.
El Barto
Apr 10 2006, 04:14 AM
Daily Prophet
2nd Edition
Crisis In DarfurIn case you didn't see, on the homepage of veritaserum, there is a discussion about the crisis in Darfur, and it got me thinking that we should really discuss this issue since it has gotten little attention from the political world.
In
this article, it explains how the peace negotiations between the rebels and the government of Sudan have been going. The leaders of the Republic of Congo were present to mediate in some instances. I believe it was in 2004 that a cease fire was ordered but the fighting and atrocities continued. For some reason, the world hasn't given this much attention, or at least not the governments of the world including the US. What I mean by attention is adding to those peace negotiations and doing everything diplomatically possible to prevent the violence, without an invasion which would only bring more death and possible chaos.
What made me do a double take was this quote by one Noureddine Mezni, replying that the warring parties would reach a peace agreement by the end of April: "The remaining issues are power-sharing, wealth-sharing...". Is this the correct thing to think about immediately after a proposed end to fighting?
What are your thoughts?
Here you can add your voice
Capricorn
Apr 10 2006, 09:48 PM
This is very much a puzzle to me. It seems as though certainty can't even be reached on what the conflict is about. Some claim that it's caused by ethnic differences, others claim that it is an economic problem (farmers vs nomads) - and then there is the sheer political turmoil between Janjaweed, the Sudanese government, JEM and SLM.
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| What made me do a double take was this quote by one Noureddine Mezni, replying that the warring parties would reach a peace agreement by the end of April: "The remaining issues are power-sharing, wealth-sharing...". Is this the correct thing to think about immediately after a proposed end to fighting? |
I'm not sure I understood your question too well, Chris, but I would say yes, since these two things could very well be a primary source of aggravation that has led to the outburst of conflict. Power and wealth are very real issues in Africa and have been for centuries, even before colonisation. Africa has still, in some cases, a very tribal instinct, which is in effect socialistic within the community of a tribe. It means that the leader speaks for all and decides for all. (This is also part of Zimbabwe's problem, but that's something else). This usually means that some leaders become a tad greedy (Idi Amin is a great example, but you'll find quite a few). The balancing of wealth and power between tribes and their leaders has therefore always been vital for peace.
In history class we read last year, in a rather pro-African textbook in comparison with some of our other books, that one of the failings of the AU is its poor co-operation because of jealousy and envy between the leaders of different countries. Power is an extremely important driving force here, so if all parties aren't satisfied with the amount of influence and power they have, things won't improve. The same with wealth, and maybe even more so because it is so scarce in Africa.
I honestly don't know what the solution is. The issues in Africa that have surfaced in the past century after de-colonisation, has really been there since the start of it and grew more and more complicated as time went by. It had just been kept subdued by colonial governments and has now exploded. A part of it is the international borders that were marked off by the colonialists. They used the longitude and latitude lines and natural borders, such as rivers and mountains, to mark their territory, with no thought of the 'ethnic map'. This has caused many traditionally hostile groups to be thrown together in governments, making peace within such countries near impossible.
The Iraq thing shows that international intervention is not at all simple, even if you believe it has improved the situation. Even worse, the members of the UN Security Council are wary of stepping in where the situation has no direct relevance to their own country - look at the disaster of Vietnam. I don't know, it's a question that hasn't been answered yet, imo. South Africa can thank its stars for Nelson Mandela who, by sheer force of his personality and strenght of conviction, turned a nation's heart enough to ward off a civil war.
Edit>> Maybe if the media paid more attention, people would have better thought out ideas and suggestions, because all I've really done is say that I can't think of a solution myself... If knowledge of the nature and causes of the events were more regularly heard and digested by people, it would be easier to form an opinion.
secretkeeper
Apr 12 2006, 08:23 PM
Well, few people seem to have intrest in the last article, or maybe you've been busy but its time for another article. If you want to post a comment about the Crisis in Darfur, then you are still more than welcome to do that.
Daily Prophet3rd EditionThis article is about Iran enriching Uranium. Officals on their side said that it is strictly for electric power and not for WMD. The question is, are they telling the truth? Do you think that this is a positive thing or a potentially bad thing? Could this lead to another war? Could Iran be shifting the balance of power set in the world? How do you think the UN is going to react to this? So many questions to be answered...
El Barto
Apr 12 2006, 08:54 PM
I said this in the War On Terror thread, its a little extreme, but I think it gets what I'm trying to say across...
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| If Iran gains nuclear power, would they construct an atomic bomb? Honestly, I think it is possible, but I don’t see the reasoning behind it if they used it for war or some sort of trump card. I know that sounds weird…but the US alone has a stockpile somewhere and the minute they manage to blow something up without the launching of the bomb being detected, they’d be counterattacked by the US, and quite possibly many other nations. Know what I mean? It wouldn’t make sense, though Iran’s government, or at least the president, seems quite questionable in what he says; especially about Israel. |
...So basically I think the intention is to make energy for themselves though it could potentially become corrupt and start the production of weapons of mass destruction, and what I mean by the Persian President is that he said something about 'wiping Isreal off the face of the planet' or something like that. To me, it sounds as if he wants to annihilate the country...in my opinion.
secretkeeper
Apr 13 2006, 02:32 AM
I couldn't agree with you more Chris. For now, they are using it for energy and electricty but what if the wrong person gets elected President and becomes power-hungy and does threaten a country with a nuclear weapon and we go into another Cold War again.
I think that many issues or concerns will rise in the United Nations in the next week or so. Some countries such as the U.S. have questioned Iran's motives to look towards Nuclear Power as a source. I personally believe that it should be stopped so that everyone in the world will feel and be safer. Even if the Iranian officals are only focusing on energy production, there always is a "back door" to things like this and are very hard to detect.
gaburdette
Apr 13 2006, 04:06 PM
I think Iran is enriching uranium for one purpose and one purpose only, they want a nuclear bomb. Iran is an oil rich nation and I do not for a second believe they are the least bit concerned about the enviromental problems of burning fossil fuels.
I grew up with all the fun of the nuclear response drills at school. Hide under your desk kids, it will save you from a nuclear blast. School desks today just are not made like in the old days. But I digress. I was never too concerned because the general wisdom was that the Soviet Union or Chinese missles were controlled by people just as level headed as our own politicians. No one was stupid enough to launch a nuclear missle. Even with North Korea having the bomb, I am not too concerned. They are using it for monetary and political leverage. I do not think they are crazy enough to launch one.
Iran scares me. The people in leadership are crazy enough to carry a bomb to Isreal and set it off to rid the Holy Land of infidels. The next stop would be bombs carried into the US and other nations opposed to Iran including most of the EU. The US and EU should be doing all in their power to see that the Iranian enrichment program is terminated.
Quality Quidditch Supplies
Apr 13 2006, 07:24 PM
Yeah, somehow I don't think that mutually assured distruction holds much water with the leaders and people of Iran.
Just like gaburdette, North Korea, while concerning, isn't as urgent as Iran having weapons. N. Korea is using the weapons for material gains, they aren't fanatics and idealists. Iran, on the other hand, is.
So if we have a problem, what do we do?
Obviously diplomacy is the first choice, but I think that Iran will react even more vehemently against any sort of UN sanction than Iraq ever did. Sadaam wanted to stay in power, from what I've seen of the Iranian 'president', he doesn't seem to care what happens to his country. I also think that the UN lost alot of it's credibility over the Iraqi santions, with the repeated "Last time we didn't mean it, but this time....this time we're serious." So assuming diplomacy fails...
Do we invade?
Honestly, I don't think America has the manpower and political capital to manage a full scale invasion of Iran, trying to help keep the new Iraqi government on their feet, and hunt Bin Laden through the mountains of Afghanistan. I think we ought to make an air strike, take out their facilities and anything else that could be used to make nukes.
One of the radio hosts down here said something about 'leaking' that the US is willing to use tactical nukes in order to insure that Iran doesn't make a working nuclear warhead, and maybe that would wake up the Iranian president to what kind of can he's opening with his pursual of nuclear weapons. But I'm definitely not in favor of actually using tactical nukes, and any sort of leak or release of the possibility of using them would either be completely unbelievable, or the entire world would be in an outrage.
But no matter what is done, something has to happen before Iran has a working nuclear warhead. Because after they've got one, we're facing the worst case scenario of any presidential administration: Nuclear War.
gaburdette
Apr 15 2006, 12:41 AM
The Daily Prophet4th EditionWhat Happened to Parenting?The one thing that really annoys me is to see parents who have the attitude that whatever happens at school is the school's problem. They seem to absolve themself of any responsibility for their child's actions at school.
There is an article
here from the UK about a plan to extend to teacher's authority outside the school. This is being done in response to parent's inability to raise and discipline their own children. The teachers report spending a portion of their time each day responding to parents requests for help dealing with problems outside school.
What do you think? It seems to me some parents today are losing their grasp on what it means to be a parent. This is not just a UK issue. This is happening in the US and many other nations.
Hermione_Resilda
Apr 15 2006, 12:57 AM
Lol, I actually did that when I read the comment about the trampoline!
It really is amazing that parents would actually do that. I do have a sense that parents are losing their grips. Most kids nowadays are bullying their parents into giving them whatever they want, come to school with those things, get them taken away, the kids come home complaining that their teachers 'stole' their stuff, the parents get angry and complain.
The parents should really have analyzed what had really happened; that they gave in to their kids' whining and the kid thought it alright to just flash off their stuff because the parents weren't responsible enough to explain to them or give them boundaries.
Okay, I hope that maked sense, and the reason I said that is because I see it happen in my school all the time. If I don't make my bed one day, my parents start saying 'why didn't you do this, don't they teach you this in school, I'm going to call them right now and ask them what they teach you'.
Ygraine
Apr 16 2006, 12:54 AM
I live in the UK and i didn't know that this was happening! In my school, if you were in school uniform while you did the 'sin' so to speak, the school punished you, if not, well, it was up to your parents.
The whole trampaline thing seemed a bit farcical, a cover probaably was the best thing for it

I don't know where a teachers power should stop. My brother was bullied by a another pupil but all the acts happened outside of school, outside school uniform, so when my brother went to the school, they couldn't do anything. IMO That was a bit stupid. As it was a bullying case.
But things like the kids won't go to bed? Lol. No, that is definatley a home matter and the school shouldn't have anything to do with that. Although maybe their could be a group run by the school or something, or at the school that can help parents learn how to disipline thier kids?
Quality Quidditch Supplies
Apr 16 2006, 01:59 AM
I wonder how much the teachers can actually do if this bill gets passed. Grounding? Restriction from CD's/cell phone/TV/computers? What exactly can they do?
While I think there needs to be more disciplinary abilities given to the teachers/schools, I don't think it extends outside of the school grounds. Mostly I think that people ought to be able to be expelled from public schools. Where this idea that free education is a right and not a priviledge, I don't know.
For instance, at my local high school, 60 latino students walked out during the middle of the day and marched a mile to a main boulevard to protest bills against illegal immigration. Do you think that any of the kids were punished for walking out of school?
There are even arguments over whether or not convicted felons should be allowed to attend public school!
No, a bill like this one in the UK will only continue to degenerate the parents duties and rights. How long until only teachers can discipline, and not the parents?
And how long until parents realize that the government is not here to support, educate, raise and make sure of the well-being of their offspring?
Ridiculous...
keepstar1331
Apr 17 2006, 05:50 AM
I think school guidlines vary from area to area. For instance where i live... you can be expelled from a public school. For the rest of the year, for a year, or even from the entire district. But i also grew up in an area where there were many schooling options. There were schooled specially designated for "special case students" in these shools they focused on real life scenarios and worked more on social issues.
For me i think inturrupting learning for kids who's parents aren't doing there jobs is a waste of money and time. I was spoiled rotten, got away with everything, and was outside of school a party queen... but i still managed to hold down high honor roll and a plethora of after school sports and activities. i really dont think its a lack of parenting... its society in general. Kids are grpwing up faster, thats how it is. But school is school... i was there to learn i would have been mad if time was taken to work out social issues. Thats what guidance counslers and in school social workers are for.
Wow i sound angry! whats up with me lately. i just think there should be a seperation between school and home life. Otherwise its like having a whole other set of parents...
The problems i saw in the article is parents being kids! as for the trampoline? thats a parents not wanting to get on the bad side of all the other playgorund moms. Or being known as the uncool/mean mom/dad becasue they punish. Its not the teachers job to raise your child... just teach them. I knew tons of parents in high school that wanted to be included in their kids lives so they let them get away with everything in hope that the child wouldnt shut them out totally. And some parents are so concerned about what other parents thinkg that they won't yell at other kids of take it up with the child's parents because they are intimidated/afraid. If some little kids wouldnt get off my trampoline... id call the police. its tresspassing... but im ruthless like that
Mae!
El Barto
Apr 17 2006, 04:08 PM
If you want to, feel free to comment on Gaburdette's article! But here goes...
Daily Prophet5th EditionThis article states that the US and Russia are entering another cold war due to "chilly" arguments about foriegn polciy (are they chilly because its a cold war?

). It goes on to reference that the former Soviet Union, after World War II, sort of sponsored or encouraged satellite communist states to form in Europe and elsewhere; and today the US is doing the same thing with democracy. the fall of communism in the Soviet Union created chaos in Russia until, as reported, Putin came to power. His bid to join the World Trade Organization, along with anti-American sentiment domestically (in Russia) and abroad have further increased tensions that could lead to a conflict.
I for one don't think there will be a conflict, or a cold war, at least not the scale it was on after World War II because we may be a more pro-diplomatic society (except in some cases if you know what I mean) Though it is possible, I must admit. I also believe that eventually the Soviet Union should be able to join the World Trade Organization. It is almost like Cuba not being able to do trade with the US (I have heard that after Castro passes away, Cuba will become democratic, in which case will the US be open to trade?). Being excluded from such things, if it is not increasingly necessary, does indeed increase certain tensions...unless its for a specific reason that I don't know about (in Russia's case).
What do you all think of the article?
silver_moon
Apr 17 2006, 08:52 PM
mmm. i din't think we'll have another cold war between US and Russia... but the USA should realise that the rest of the world doesn't want and doesn't need a ruler of the world.
Russia doesn't need the USA to tell themwhat to do, and reading the article, i think that they don't like that.
And USA still fears comunism, and everything that it's not the "american dream". the only problem is that they make their dream real, and other countries (like my country) must pay the prize.
but, russia also understands that in this new world, there are other politic groups, it's not capitalism vs. comunism. Now it west vs east. it's not political division, it deeper than that, it's about diferent civilizations. And Russia and the USA are in the same side, but maybe this doesn't mean that they have to be friends, why not? because the one wants to dominate, but the other doesn't want to be a vassal, a servant.
but, this "chill" won't led them to a cold war, i think that they can still talk. and the USA doesn't need another country in their war list, they have irak, iran, north corea, they can't invade everyone, can they?
El Barto
Apr 18 2006, 08:49 PM
Back in the day, after World War II, the Cold War was about communism vs. capitalism. It was because communism threatened what capitalism stood for, basically a free market (is that right?). This led to an arms race, one form of government was trying to prove that the other government was weaker, etc. through the amount of weapons or whatever. I could be wrong...
The USA fears communism for that reason (the threat to its free market), not because of a possible arms race or anything like that.
Silver_Moon, can you explain how its now West Vs. East? Is it because Russia is no longer a communist state, and now competes with the US in a democratic-sense? I don't think its anything about different civilizations (though I think the correct wording is societies...or something along those lines).
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| because the one wants to dominate |
Are you refering to the United States? I don't think its an issue of dominating the world, or even spreading democracy, otherwise every nation that isn't democratic would be on the US's hit list. Its more about countries like Iraq or North Korea that have dictators that neglect their citizens from every day essentials, and stopping them from doing this. A possible way to stop these things from happening is to bring democracy to whichever country is being run by a dictator or a strict government. The reason is because there is a share of power, or a balance at least, so that no one holds total control. If a dictator was deposed of, who is to say that the next won't become just like him or her?
Perhaps its best, though, not to force this on people. But when there seems to be no other choice, then the system might be implemented. Maybe the US, after invading Iraq, thought that since the system has worked here, that it could work there. I guess we'll just have to wait and see once the violence dies down.
Thats my opinion, for now at least...since we're all able to change our opinions
Pixymajik
Apr 19 2006, 02:37 AM
| QUOTE (gaburdette @ Apr 14 2006, 06:41 PM) |
The Daily Prophet 4th Edition
What Happened to Parenting? |
Ahhh, now this is an issue that I really do appreciate- my apologies for leaving my response to it for so long- I'll get to the next issue in a minute
My last relationship counselling class was on parenting and me being the loud mouth that I am had a lot to say on it
First let me start by saying that I am 24 years old and NOT a parent. I have not had the experience of 'raising a child' which seems to be one of the biggest comebacks that people have to say to me when I say anything along the lines of this area. However children are my area of interest, my primary area of study and my entire area of work.
I've seen children who would rather stay with their day care teacher- who they've been with since 7am- than go home with their parents. I've seen parents who laughed when their child poked a stick into another child's eye and made comments such as 'He's such a ratbag!' I've seen parents who had said to other adults (while in front of their child) 'I just don't know what to do with him, he can go and live with his father for all I care'. I've been in a situation many times where I can tell a parent things about their children that they don't have a clue about- even down to simple things such as their favourite colour or the fact that mum keeps giving them jam sandwiches which they hate...
and there's even been a few times where their school teachers have complimented ME (NOT their parents) for the improvement in the child's behaviour at school. or the fact that they are actually DOING their homework.
I'm not these children's parents- is this something that I should really be doing???
There's been an article recently that said something like almost 40% of children are now being diagnosed with ADHD. In my Relationship Counselling- Parenting class, I brought this issue up and the lecturer- who is involved with the Positive Parenting Program- as well as the majority of the parents there, felt that parents in general just don't know how to be parents.
There's a line from 'Parenthood', which I love. It's said by Keanu Reeves' character and to simplify it says along the lines of needing a license to catch a fish, drive a car or buy a dog. But anyone can be a parent.
My mother refers to the now youth generation as being the 'instant gratification generation'. Anything that they want is given to them now on a silver platter and everything that they do is given instant rewards. I think a lot of this is because parents just don't know how to be parents. They don't know how to cope with the crying, the nagging, the not understanding etc etc and so they do what they can as a quick fix solution without ever dealing with the problem. They buy the kids the latest toys, give them something to stop them crying etc.
In regards to the actual teacher's limits outside of school, I've noticed that there are many times where if I'm in my uniform outside of work, I'm expected to be the parent for all of these children whose parents are watching me. I'm expected to make sure little Jimmy isn't going to punch his sister, or that Susan doesn't fall off the flying fox while her mother is chatting to another parent. I've had parents who have said to me 'I can't handle my own two, how do you cope with 20?' and complete strangers who have said to me 'Mr --- tells me that soandso is understanding their maths homework- how did you explain it to them???'
Teachers shouldn't be needing to do these things. In the case that was mentioned with Bullying, sometimes parents DON'T see these things and people should be able to deal with it without the reprocutions. I mean, if the child tells the school, the school should be able to notify the parents involved or whatever and ensure that it gets dealt with- otherwise things could blow up in everyone's face. However parent's shouldn't expect that because the teacher is there, that they can deal with the problems.
Whoa... that was a rant and a half- was going to put two cents in on the Cold War discussion as well, but I think I might leave it until next time
Omerus_Banning
Apr 19 2006, 06:58 PM
Parenting: The toughest job you'll ever love!
At least in my humble opinion.
It's hard, frustrating, nerve racking...
But it's also filled with small successes, like seeing your little guy running in to go to the bathroom on his own, or helping his friends pick up their toys without being asked...
I have to agree that a lot of people with kids aren't very good parents. I try to walk the fine line between giving my kids what they would like to have (within reason, and never as a bribe... I learned from my brother's mistakes...) and keeping a "tight ship." I think a lot of times, no one wants to be the disciplinarian and set up boundaries and lay out the consequences attached with going out of bounds.
Parenting is seen by many almost as a competitive sport nowadays. Everyone is trying to "outparent" the other guy, taking their kids to more lessons/sports/tutoring etc... than the next guy. The most important thing to do with your kids is simple, cheap and quite easy to do: spend some time with them. Play with them. Talk with them.
At least that's my opinion...
silver_moon
Apr 19 2006, 07:06 PM
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| Silver_Moon, can you explain how its now West Vs. East? Is it because Russia is no longer a communist state, and now competes with the US in a democratic-sense? I don't think its anything about different civilizations (though I think the correct wording is societies...or something along those lines). |
yes, maybe societies is a good word to describe it, in my language the best is civilization, maybe in english is more correct to say societies. and yes, i meant that russia is no longer a communist state, now they (russia and USA) share the democratic idea. when i talked about civilizations i wasn't talking about russia and the states, i was talking about the states, europe, and other countries "vs" some middle orient countries, that, as you said have dictators that reprime their citizens.
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| Are you refering to the United States? I don't think its an issue of dominating the world, or even spreading democracy, otherwise every nation that isn't democratic would be on the US's hit list. |
the problem is that everynation that it's not democratic as the USA understands democracy are in the hit list. take a look at Venezuela. Chavez is called a dictator, and the USA doesn't want them to have nuclear power (do you call it like that?), and when Argentina insinuated thay they would colaborate in Venezuela's nuclear plan... USA didn't wait a second to call to be sure that Argentina wouldn't colaborate. And... when Argentina was in democracy, just for that fear to comunism (70's decade) USA supported the worst dictatorship that Argentina ever had.
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| Its more about countries like Iraq or North Korea that have dictators that neglect their citizens from every day essentials, and stopping them from doing this. A possible way to stop these things from happening is to bring democracy to whichever country is being run by a dictator or a strict government. The reason is because there is a share of power, or a balance at least, so that no one holds total control. If a dictator was deposed of, who is to say that the next won't become just like him or her? |
i agree with you there, i don't like dictatorships, I even shared USA's opinion about Irak, the only problem is that USA runs to spread democracy to those countries that never asked for it. I don't mean that is better those dictatorships, I just think that USA can help, if help is asked. Or let the citizens of any country fight themselves for the democracy.
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| Perhaps its best, though, not to force this on people. But when there seems to be no other choice, then the system might be implemented. Maybe the US, after invading Iraq, thought that since the system has worked here, that it could work there. I guess we'll just have to wait and see once the violence dies down. |
i totaly agree with this... except that who knows, who has to say that "there are no more choices than an invasion"?
El Barto
Apr 19 2006, 07:30 PM
I didn't mean that if there is no choice, then invasion has to be the choice, I meant democracy. The US knows democracy, thats the form of government, and it has worked...at least for the most part (refering to the Great Depression and other times of economic hardships). I don't think if there was an invasion, that the US would try to bring a different form of government. However, after the US is finished, or has secured the area, such as when the violence and conflict in Iraq has deminished then the citizens can opt out or vote for a new government. The US may be keen to try an intervention or side with the democratic parties in the country, or simply break off ties. Perhaps democracy will prevail...
I think the main issue with South American countries like Venezuela or Colombia is that they have paramilitaries running around, bringing fear to the people. Maybe because of that, the government can't be trusted because there could be 'insiders' within the government who are also working for the paramilitary (or informants). I think the group is called FARC, though I forgot what it stands for.
gaburdette
Apr 19 2006, 08:25 PM
| QUOTE (el Barto) |
| I think the main issue with South American countries like Venezuela or Colombia is that they have paramilitaries running around, bringing fear to the people. |
Those are my thoughts exactly. The only one bringing attention to Chavez is Chavez. Instead of being the leader his country needs, he plays on the fears of the overbearing US to keep his people in line. The truth is, as long as he does not disrupt the worlds oil supply, the US would leave him alone. The same thing with Castro. The US has not had any direct actions against him or his goverment since the 60's. The only thing we are guilty of is not allowing our citizens to travel there or do business with Cuba which is our right. Both dictators are working off the same play book, when all else fails, blame the US.
I do not think we are seeing a return to the cold war with Russia. With democracies, presidents come and go. All that matters is the will of the people. Neither the citizens of Russia or the US want a return to the cold war. There will be slight chills from time to time when the elected presidents do not agree but that passes with the next election. No one doubts US and France's relationship but I know there is no love lost between Bush & Chiroc. The only thing with Putin is he represents the old guard KGB which makes things a little difficult.
Pixy & Omerus, I could not of said it better. I think both of you have summed up my opinions on the lack of parenting these days. Different countries yet all experiencing the same problems. I wonder why?
silver_moon
Apr 19 2006, 08:48 PM
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| The US knows democracy, thats the form of government, and it has worked...at least for the most part |
i agree with democracy, what i don't like is the US interventing(sp?) in everywhere. you can't imposse democracy, it'd be a contradiction, how do you imposse freedom? It's good if the democratic countries want the others to be democratic, too. I understand that, and I even think it should be like that. because a non-democratic country's dictator can think that he can rule not only his country, but others too!
and both of you are right with those paramilitar groups, but why does the US have to do with it? Maybe it's just that i live in a country that suffered too much because of the USA, and I cannot simply be impartial, i must admit that! nevertheless, i don't want another country to nose in my bussiness, just leave the others alone, unless they're a real danger for the world and, in that case, the whole wolrd must have its opinion, not only USA ot the OTAN...
and talking about parenting... i think that's a problem that exists in almost everywhere. I am a teacher, and parents never think that their precious little angels are wrong, or that they didn't do enaugh homework, they allways think that the teacher is th one who made a mistake. and they also have no authority over their children... it's as if they don't want to say "no" to their children...
secretkeeper
Apr 20 2006, 09:10 PM
Daily Prophet6th EditionThis article is about Pres. Bush meeting with China's President Hu to talk about trade regulations. In the article, it talks about how Pres. Bush wants China to change it's currency and to become more fair and easier on companies and workers.
Now not all of the members are from America or China and you may think that this won't have an affect on you, but it will. China is the worlds biggest exporter of goods in the world. It sends its goods to every part of the world. The money that American Companies sent to China last year was $202 BILLION. This is a big reason why Americans are becoming unemployed. Perhaps this may be a start to lower unemployment.
Another thing that came to my attention is the gas prices. It cost me $62.00 to fill up my Escallade. I'm going to stop driving that, and drive my other car. But thats besides the point. There is an article
here that talks about the gas prices everywhere.
Omerus_Banning
Apr 21 2006, 06:46 PM
Gas prices are a joke! They are based on the price of a barrel of crude oil, which price goes up or down based on the speculation of what may or may not impact production. So, in essence, the price is based on factors that have absolutely nothing to do with actually getting the oil out of the ground.
And don't get me started on taxes on gas. I live in Canada. I topped up my van the other day and it cost me C$57 for about half a tank. Looking at my bill, I saw that a total of C$19.27 was taxes! How can believe that the Government is going to look at gas prices and be fair when they only stand to gain when gas prices go up? The higher the prices, the more tax revenue...
I'm going to start riding my bike to and from work as soon as my son is done school and I don't have to drop him off. Hopefully I can save a little bit of gas that way!
Quality Quidditch Supplies
Apr 21 2006, 08:39 PM
Well, I'm not sure about in Canada, but I do know why gas prices are going back up in the US.
The EPA.
Every summer, the EPA has decided (illegally, but that's another topic) that gas has to be refined at different oxidation levels. Basically, every April/May the limited refineries (yet another biproduct of the EPA) have to refit their facilities and change their refining process to incorporate these seasonal laws on the type of gasoline. And all the gasoline stockpiles have to be remixed until it matches the law requirements.
Which that, in itself, is fine. That would drive the price up a few cents temporarily, but after the refits were done, it would go back down.
But every state has a different mixture that it requires. I'm not entirely sure of what each different thing was, ethanol I know was one, but it's all these other non-oil based fuels that are mixed in. The problem is that ethanol doesn't travel well through pipelines. So while the corn-rich Mid West states want a higher percentage of ethanol, the coastal states want less ethanol and more of another type of alternate fuel. I believe there are some 17 different required gasoline mixtures across the country.
It's not widely known, but the US this year is at an eight year high in oil stockpiles. And that's without drilling the natural gas pockets off the coast of North Carolina, Georgia, Florida and the Gulf, without drilling the oil in Alaska, and hundreds of other spots. But we don't have enough gasoline, because the refineries, whose numbers are limited by the EPA, have to make 17 different types of gasoline during the summer, and then ship them to the different states. And because of the ethanol, it can't be done through pipeline's.
So the free market starts to work, supply goes down, demand goes up because of summer vacations, and so does the price.
Omerus said it right: gas prices have nothing to do with the trouble of bringing oil out of the ground. I think that, in North Carolina, at least, somewhere around 50 cents of every gallon (which is right now around $2.80 to $2.90 a gallon) is taxes. That's ridiculous! A month ago it was hovering right at or just below $2. It's disgusting.
gaburdette
Apr 22 2006, 09:03 PM
Well I think QQS has hit the nail on the head. I agree with everything he has said. If you want to blame someone for high gas prices look to the Feds and thirty plus years of new laws ever year.
Daily Prophet7th EditionThe Failures of NASAI know this is primarily a US issue but the space race has really had impact all over the planet. For those not familiar with the past thirty years of NASA history here is a
summary from CNN. It covers all the planned goals as well as the failures of the agency.
So what are your thoughts about the program? There is no doubt that the program has had benefits. Just look at the electronic devices you use each day. I bet you can find a link somehow to the program. It could be that it uses a satellite signal or the technology is based on something developed for the shuttle.
I believe going from what we did in the 60's and 70's with the Apollo program to the shuttle program shows a complete lack of vision for NASA. The agency has become a dream come true for bureaucrats. Constant paper pushing, job security fixing the next problem. NASA could have accomplished so much in the last thirty years. We were closer to the moon in 1965 than we are now. As the agency is now, I do not think they have the capabilities they had in the 60's.
marire
Apr 23 2006, 06:27 AM
It's fun that this comes up week after I've joined Duelling Club, because I've been wondering this a lot by myself.
I'm not an american, but I'm disapointed to NASA's succes or any other space society at all. As gaburdette said, it's been over 40 years since mankind visited moon, and although I didn't live then, I would have expect that this time it would be compleatly normal to visit there. But it seems to laypersons point of view that they have only come backwards.
I think that reason for that lies so back as in Cold War. They had so hurry to build new rockets and conquer new planets that they started to take risks for saving money and time, and after they failled, they had to started all over. After that, they didn't dare to take so many risks and propably the atmosphere wasn't very positive and that sloved down programs a lot.
And although Bush has said another, I don't think that americans (or any others) are going to reach space very soon. There has been a lot of shuttle accidents and judging what I've read in newspaper, there reasons has always been some technical weakness.Luckly those haven't been fatal, but if we can't even launch the shuttle without something breaking up, how on earth Bush thinks that we can safely put people in there and sent them to moon? It would be a suicide!!
felix_felicis_444
Apr 23 2006, 07:13 AM
Wow...how ironic...I just finished reading Dan Brown's (author of The DaVinci Code) book, Deception Point, which revolves around the lack of successes of the United States Space Agency, NASA. For those of you who have read the book, it really alerts you of all of the ongoings of the U.S. government, and how badly NASA has been slumping lately.
I have always been a supporter of space discovery missions because I feel that it is important for us, as intelligent lifeform, to know our surroundings. Of course, the search for extraterrestrial life will never cease until we find it, or it is proven that it cannot exist. Well, it can either be a huge waste of trillions upon trillions of dollars, or it can turn into the discovery of -- well, quite frankly -- ever!
The book also says that NASA is using technology 10-12 years more advanced than that which is used by the general public. The book described some very high-tech stuff...all of which are REAL technologies. They were definitely much more asvanced than just 10 years...maybe 50 years at the least! So, the money that we pay that is appropriated to NASA obviously has good sides on the technological aspect.
Well, I might have more to say about this later, but for now I am basing the response purely on what I read in Deception Point and my prior knowledge!
_daviD
passerby
Apr 23 2006, 11:24 AM
Just be careful taking your information from a fictional work and treating it as solidified fact, David. Brown obviously researches his plots and information, but he's still a fiction author and can make things up, or twist things around, as he needs to further the plot of his book . . .a perfectly acceptable practice. He has a way of writing, though, that makes people believe everything he says at face value. . .
I think the idea of going in space is kind of scary. My view is so obviously tampered by "Firefly," with the black and all. . .
I suppose it's possible to imagine everyday people going up in space, but I thinik it's a LONG way off. As marire said, we can't even launch a space shuttle without having it fall to pieces. . .or blow up and kill the astronauts inside. With all that can go wrong in space, technology will have to be a whole lot better to ensure travelles' safety in space before I'd sign up.
Capricorn
Apr 23 2006, 03:04 PM
I also read Deception Point this December. Though I know it's not completely factual, the idea of NASA failing to make any proper discoveries was fascinating to me!
Like you guys said, Dan Brown researches his stuff well, but I won't be quoting him on anything...
Anyway, the book asks the question of whether NASA should be privatised or stay under US government control. If it was privatised, commercial space travelling could very well be a possibilty in the near future, because it would be run like a business and less like a research centre. Research
would shift to safety and efficiency, but little serious research will be done on new planets and extra-terrestrial life etc.
As it is, I believe there isn't enough competition to reach space and produce proper new information. I'm rather relieved that China has started to take up space researching, because it might force NASA to improve their methods and produce the goods on new knowledge. The Cold War undoubtedly fueled the Space Race, but I hope it doesn't take another Cold War to inspire countries, who have the means, to launch extensive research projects.
The problem is that over the ages, nothing has inspired the growth of technology more than war and confrontation. If you look at the history of the Chinese empires, they stopped developing ingenious inventions when peace reigned. Before that they had developed the compass, the water clock, gunpowder and hordes of things that the West only re-invented in the middle ages. (When wars were frequent.)
Mankind has progressed far enough to make democracy the norm in many places, allow freedom of speech, association, religion and almost anything else. I see this as a sort of new level of general wisdom obtained. Wouldn't it be great if mankind could acquire the wisdom to let knowledge itself be enough reason to do research, instead of letting war and confrontation lead the way. Ooh, what a dripper.

Ah well, hope you get my meaning.
felix_felicis_444
Apr 23 2006, 08:04 PM
| QUOTE (passerby @ Apr 23 2006, 11:24 AM) |
| Just be careful taking your information from a fictional work and treating it as solidified fact, David. Brown obviously researches his plots and information, but he's still a fiction author and can make things up, or twist things around, as he needs to further the plot of his book . . .a perfectly acceptable practice. He has a way of writing, though, that makes people believe everything he says at face value. . . |
Yes, you are right on one aspect. Brown most certainly highlighted the downsides of NASA and all of their failures, and just oh-so-conveniently "forgot" to mention many of NASA's breakthroughs and discoveries. What is definitely true about the book is that all of the technologies in it exist today and are being used by the space agency. Brown always has a little paragraph in the beginning of his books stating that sometihng is true, for example the technologies or organizations, etc.
I did a current events report in my research class this past week about how NASA's satellite Cassini found an active water plume and very stable heat source on one of Saturn's moons, Enceladus. This can be a huge discovery because scientists speculate that if there is to be extraterrestrial life, it would exist in a liquid environment with an average-ranged temperature. Unfortunately, due to a very tight budget (considering the incredibly high cost of the missions and research), a mission to Enceladus will probably not happen for a while, maybe even 5-10 years!
_daviD
Quality Quidditch Supplies
Apr 24 2006, 12:45 AM
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Brown always has a little paragraph in the beginning of his books stating that sometihng is true, for example the technologies or organizations, etc.
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Even those can be a stretch on the truth. I assume you mean his 'fact' about the Priory of Sion in The DaVinci Code? Mmm...yeah, not true. The Priory that Brown presents as a secret organization was created by a con man, Pierre Perdant or something like that. He created and planted the various documents (The Secret Documents, the ones in the book) all proclaiming him as the true heir to the throne of France. Brown used Pierre's Priory and his geneaologies of the French royal line (which continued past the date they actually died out in order to get to Pierre) to tie into his Holy Grail story.
So yeah, I'd still be careful. Though I don't doubt that NASA has better technology that the average American does, you can't take Dan Brown at his word.
I think that NASA is being run by fear, to be honest. We lost a few shuttles, and in response they shut the whole program down. Now don't get me wrong, the loss of those astronauts and the missions were catastrophic. But space travel in this day and age, though safer than Gemini, is still dangerous. It's easy for me to say, I'm not the one taking the risks, or the one ordering that the risks be taken, but that's my view on the retreat from the Shuttle Program.
I think that the reason NASA hasn't made such breakthrough's since the 60's is the lack of a tangible and attainable goal. Before Kennedy's "go to the moon before the end of this decade", NASA was a joke. We couldn't even get rockets off the pads, let alone launch sattelites, monkeys and men into space.
But after they were given a clear goal, something that every other mission was building up for, it took off. They had a purpose. After they achieved that...what now? Mars was too far off, though it's growing closer due to technological advancements. The Shuttle Program was a good idea, I think, but being a primarily commercial idea at heart, without a free market to drive it, it was doomed to fail.
In fact, one of NASA's three main goals is to 'find extraterrestrial life.' Sort of ambitious, considering it could be on any one of the billions of planets in the galaxy, and we can't get past our own moon.
In short, I think that NASA grew content.
But I just visited Kennedy Space Center (which was worth the money) and they had a lot to say. Of course you have to take it with a grain of salt, since it is NASA running the place, but they estimated a permanant moon base by 2020. (I think...could have been a different year, but definitely close.) It's supposed to be a sort of practice base for the eventual one on Mars, hopefully up by 2050. One of their goals is trying to find a way to make fuel on the moons surface, so that they can refuel ships on their way to Mars, and so that they can make their own to get back.
Now that is something that I can get behind. Fuel...wouldn't that be nice, if through finding fuel to get to Mars and back, we find a new way of powering our own cars and homes?
gaburdette
Apr 24 2006, 01:22 AM
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| I think that NASA is being run by fear, to be honest. We lost a few shuttles, and in response they shut the whole program down. |
That has really been a big problem for them. It is the same thing with the Iraq war. No one expects casualties from a dangerous mission. Look at the original Gemini and Apollo missions. A tiny capsule on top of a big tower of solid propellent. Toss in a match and away you went. Talk about dangerous, those early astronauts really had nerves of steel.
Exploration like this will have casualties. No one wants them but they are a reality. NASA has baby proofed the shuttle program so much, there is no significant exploration being done.
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| I think that the reason NASA hasn't made such breakthrough's since the 60's is the lack of a tangible and attainable goal. Before Kennedy's "go to the moon before the end of this decade" |
I think that is their exact problem. Vietnam left them without direction from Washington and they have been wondering aimlessly since. Bush tried to give them direction with the Mars goal but I think the public has forgotten the original goals of NASA and it will take more than a speech or two to get back on track. Besides Bush does not quite have the chrisma of Kennedy.
NASA needs to get back on their original mission, space exploration. At some point in our future, the planet's resources will reach the point of no longer supporting the population and then people will understand the benefits of the space program.
El Barto
Apr 24 2006, 04:36 PM
There have been a few suggestions for a topic on the European Union's constitutional law. It was decided to have it placed in the Daily Prophet, and perhaps if it generates enough discussion, a whole new topic concerning it will be added to the Forbidden Forest.
If you would still like to respond to gaburdette's article, then by all means do so!
DAILY PROPHET8th Edition: European Union ConstitutionIn this article, it talks about the present condition of the EU's constitutional law. It seems as though a few countries are holding off their votes for ratification. Finland it also seems, from the article, is worried about its credibility as EU president.
What is your take on the constitution? Is it good? Bad? Is it/should it be modeled after the United States' constitution? Whats holding it back? Will it be beneficial? etc.
marire
Apr 26 2006, 02:42 PM
I'm against the constitutional law.
Biggest reason is that I'm afraid that after it comes power, it means that big countries like France and Germany get even more power and small countries like Finland (where I'm from) will have less power, and in my opinion we already have too little. Although these countries sure got good people, I believe they differ too much from us finns and decisions and laws they make,will harm us more than do good. Fine example from that is agricultural law they made this year, which is destroing our farming. It hurts me really much as my family are farmers and that would be my dream job too. But that's really out of subject.
I'm too afraid that constitutional law would be one step further in road that leads EU to federal state.( I believe that taking Euro was the first step). I don't like that idea, because I feel that as we live so far from Bryssel, we would lose any touch of authoritis, and couldn't anymore affect to anything that they do. We would just have to do as told, and I hate that!
One reason to my negativity is also that I don't feel we're even told properly what constitutional law means to laypersons and what in contains. There has been some brief explanations in newspapers, but I feel they barely scratch the surface and are full of political terms that I can't say I understand. If EU wants people behind it, it should firstly publish it written in laypersons terms and give people time to read it. It's absurd to assume that we would support something we don't even understand.
secretkeeper
Apr 27 2006, 08:13 PM
Daily Prophet9th EditionIt has been talked about in the Suggestion Fourm so here it is.
This link was posted by NickHilton. It discusses one of the few monarchs left in todays world. So state some opinons on what you think about them and how you feel about them. Should they stay in power? Should they give up all power to a Federal/Democratic goverment?
If this generates a lot of post, it will be made into a topic itself. So here's your chance at it guys.