Welcome to Gryffindor, Otaku! You have done well on the sorting!

And I agree with you, about Percy. He has always been a bit over the edge, and I think he'll get what's coming to him in the next book...or he'll repent. I would hate to see Bill get married without his brother.

[quote]I might be a voice of opposition, but I think that Percy was correctly placed in Gryffindor. Yes, we have yet to see further development of his character, but at the time of his sorting, he did not betray his family. He was an intelligent kid, full of determination. As he grew up, we saw him stand up for his convictions, whether we agree with them or not, he still did. He stuck to his guns, so-to-speak, and did not sway. If it's a matter of bravery, well, it's often more couragous to stand your ground than not. wink.gif[quote]

hmmm...well, i have to kinda agree with you on that.... but still i think rawenclaw wouldn't have been bad for him either... so, yes, gryffindor was perhaps right for him... i don't think that he will be 'the new peter pettigrew'... he stands alongside the ministry and i don't think he would join voldy... like many of you said -we'll have to wait for book7 to find out more...

Maybe Percy would have done better in Ravenclaw, but the Sorting Hat knows what's in peoples' heads, right? So why did Percy get sorted into Gryffindor? Was it a mistake? It couldn't have been a mistake, because the Sorting Hat has been sorting for YEARS. So there must be some tiny smidge (at least) of courage or bravery, since he's shown his true colors in the loyalty area, with his family.

Hello I’m Slytherin Vortext on a visit.



Hermoine brave? You see Bushyhair as brave? I call it foolishly reckless. *smirk* I think she’s still part cat to this day. Making little yellow birdies fly about her and hissing at brokeberk Ron. meow!

Speaking of reckless, just look at your house Ghost. Now there’s a story. Didn’t even rate getting a first class executioner. Even that runaway Buckfreak had a better executioner lined up! All hippogriff are a menace. Look at Witless-shin attacking Prof. Snape exiting the school grounds.

Ah! Slap to forehead what I was visiting here about. So looks like everyone’s rejecting Percy? His own G-house family? Maybe someone should be looking at that book he got in the junk shop. The Weasley clan must keep the shop in profits perpetually. What was the title again? Prefects Who Gained Power. Must be a stirring read seeing how the original owner dumped it.

Hey vortext,
thanks for that imput. I hope that Percy comes through and shows his true colors as a weasley. I hope that he comes to his senses and sees what morons the ministry are and sides with the order. If JKR planned it, then I think that he will definetly change in the 7th book.

Vortext- Thanks for your input . It was quit insightful .

Anyways, no one here is rejecting Percy. We are having an intelligent discussion on whether or not he is an asset to the Gryffindor house. Personally, I think he has been acting childish for a reason. JK must have some plans for his redemption, or else she would have placed him in Slytherin with the rest of the future-murderers (did I say that? ).

Good insult on Hermione not being brave because of her bushy hair... that one really hurt us .

Percy will have to redeem himself in book 7. And I don't think he should have been in Ravenclaw. Sure, he was smart. So was Bill. But, Bill has shown his true bravery by going to fight DE's and being mauled by Greyback. Percy is just a prat. He will show his bravery in due time. Remember, JK specifically stated on her sight that the sorting hat has never been wrong.

Actually I was being (as YOU put it) ‘quit insightful’ about her not brave but reckless 2nd year Polyjuice problem. What a twit not knowing the difference between cat hair and a witches’ own locks. Guess she needed to read 'Pat the Cat' children's board book.




No LilyPotty you typed it. *snort* Like the Bloody Baron, sometimes a little management control is needed.

Vortex, if I'm not mistaken, we don't exactly have the details that would provide a reason why Nearly-Headless Nick was executed to begin with; as far as his executioner, well, it certainly wasn't due to Sir Nicholas being reckless.




Hmmm... I just think it's because Percy has a form of "tunnel vison" per say in order to acheive his goal of one day becoming Minister of Magic. I don't think there's anything sinister brewing there.

Yeah... so, anyways, back to topics that make sense ...

You know, Percy has shown loyalty in the past, just not to his family. He was always loyal to the minister, even when his family was against him. I think that he was simply confused as to where his loyalties should lie. It was, albeit, a misguided mistake... but he has atleast shown that he is not afraid to stand up for what he believes in, even if he is standing up for those beliefs to his own family.

Like I said, Percy has made mistakes, everyone has. But, if someone like Fleur Delacour can redeem herself (i.e. staying with Bill even after he is mauled by Greyback), surely Percy can, too.

Vortex, there is no need for all that. We are having a discussion about the Gryffindor House, and anyone from the other houses can come if they like. However, if you come just to stir things up, it doesn't go anywhere. It just leads to certain things that people may regret (I'm talking about things being said). Please, if you have anything to say that doesn't form some sort of rivalry within this website, then say (or type) it. If not, then you can PM me and take your anger out on me...

As far as Nick being reckless, Cori is right...we don't have all the facts.

Somebody's hair characteristics doesn't show what kind of person they are...remember don't judge a person by what they look like...or how you read the description of them in the Harry Potter books.

I think Percy will redeem himself. I remember reading something about a mythological figure (not Perseuse but someone else) who redeemed themselves after wronging his family.

Well said, Barto. I think that is exactly what JK is going for. A lot of the imagery and occurrences in the series seem to be based off of history and mythology. She's a sly one, that JK

And you're right, we don't have all the facts on Nick's death... Why was he beheaded, anyways? Doesn't Nick tell us that? OOH! OOH! Wait! I know this one! On JK's site, she posted the song that Nick sang to the Gryffindors about his beheading, only her editor made her take it off... Let me see if I can get it again...

K, found it!:



Alright, so some chick thought Nick could straighten her teeth, and he gave her a tusk? Huh?!? LOL oh well, that is what JK had in mind, apparently. So, if we take that song into account, Nick wasn't reckless, he was simply trying to help! I would think of Nick as being comparable to Neville in character. He means well, he tries his best, and yet, somehow, he just can't seem to get things right. Actually, this is pretty good... Check this out:

1.Nick is from Gryffindor
Neville is from Gryffindor

2.Nearly Headless Nick is afraid of the Bloody Baron from Slytherin
Neville is afraid of Snape from Slytherin

3.Nick tries his best, but is afraid of the unknown (i.e. death, which is why he stays behind)
Neville tries his best, but is afraid of the unknown (what he isn't sure he can do)

...and so on, and so forth...

I know this probably has zero to do with the plotline, but isn't it interesting?

LilyPotter, I completely forgot about that! Geeze, can you imagine being executed for a simple magical mistake..

I can see where your going with the comparison between Nick and Neville. Both do have similar characteristics, and both are loyal to Harry (we saw Nick stick up for Harry in the past). Great job!

I was personally thinking that Neville might die. It could be forshadowed. But I don't think Neville would stay behind, I think he would pass on. It would be more emotional. Wern't we told there will be alot of deaths? What if Neville and Luna die? Luna isnt to big of a character, still she has been through much. Neville can be killed by Voldemort now because Voldemort had chosen harry. So maybe Nevil dies trying to protect harry? I dunno, that might not make sense. What do you guys think?

By The Way, I was just put into Griffindor!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, #1: welcome to Comet!



That is an excellent observation LilyPotter! I never noticed that.


I agree with you on that Comet! I also think that Neville will die. As far as Neville protecting Harry, I think you may be on to something there as well. Remember in the 5th book Neville tries to help Harry fight the Death Eaters with the Order and then the prophecy breaks? well that scene. If I remember, he does try to help save Harry, and is determined to try and get some revenge on the death eaters. I think that especially the effect that his parents torture had on him makes him really motivated. And in the 6th book, he was one of the kids who was helping to fight the death eaters.

Well, Comet, you bring up a good point, and HPgoldensnitch, you really back it up.

So here's my theory:
Neville has always been a vulnerable character, yet he is strong when it comes to helping his friends out, or protecting them from danger. I definatley can see Neville dying in order to save Harry.

I don't remember reading anyting about Neville having any really close friends other than the main characters, either. It's pretty obvious that Neville holds his friends close because he doesn't have that many, and is willing to risk harm to save them, but that's just how noble he is. If Neville did die, though, I think he would pass on peacefully because he would be happy with himself about saving Harry's life so that he could defeat Voldemort and save the wizarding world.

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Otaku_Punk

tis veery interesting, vat you say, LilyPotter. I think that: what if they, in some madly conceptually difficult way, Nick and Neville were from the same line of ancestry. Thats probably absolute bullplop, so i wouldn't pay any attention to me, if i were someone else because people always say bullplop comes outta my mouth. Anyway... i gotta go now... *runs off*

You know Otaku_Punk_Who_Does_Nothing, I think that you are probably right. Neville's only close friends were the main the main characters, and he was always a vulnerable character. He never was very good in his classes. I think that that is because he got nervous, and every time he messed up the teacher would get mad. Especially Snape. But the only class he seemed to do ok in was DADA when Lupin was teaching it. Also, when Harry had the DA Neville seemed determined to do well. I think that when and if he dies it will be during a batter with the death eaters. He will probably try and get revenge on Bellatrix and I hope that he does, but I think that she may either try and torture him or he will get killed.

Ok, thats all I have time to type right now, but I will be back later and add stuff.

Ok, guys, this is going to be my last post for some time because the dreaded finals are approaching fast and I want to leave you with somthing to chew on while I'm indisposed.

I just wanted to get a few ideas down, so, here goes:

Now that we all know we're all pretty sure Neville is going to die, I was wondering who else might be on death row? Last night, I came up with a thoery that the HP series will end in one of these two ways:

1) Harry will die fighting Voldemort, and the series will end with the characters coping with the loss of thier friend, and the hero who took down Voldemort.
2) Or...everyone Harry cares for will die, and the series will end with Harry trying to live on without the support of the people who became family to him. (Just speculation) But I think Harry, after we know he wants be an Auror, will move on, burrying his past, and become one of the best Aurors the Wizarding World has ever seen. He might choose to dissapear for a while and then come back after a few years, a dark and solemn person.

That's pretty much it. Feel free to contradict me on any point you'd like, I like input. Oh, one more thing, HPgoldensnitch, you said that Neville would probably die during a battle with death eaters, and as probable as that sounds, I have a feeling that Neville will probably die at the hands of Voldemort. I think Neville's loyalty will lead him to fight at Harry's side against Voldemort, and Neville will be the casualty that really gets Harry's blood boling to defeat Voldemort.

Thanks for reading! Wish me luck on my finals! Especially algebra and history!
Otaku_Punk

Well, I would probably disagree with that. I think that Neville, much like Regulus, is a very underestimated character in the book. I just don't think that LV will consider Neville important enough to kill. And, as we have seen, the DE's are extremely protective of LV. In GOF, LV has to repeatedly tell them not to kill Harry for him, because he believes that he must do it himself. But, as you see, they are pretty much chomping at the bit to execute Harry and save LV.

I think that if Neville tries to protect Harry in a fight with LV, a fellow death eater will probably get in the way and strike him down.

As far as the Neville-kills-Bellatrix theory, I couldn't agree more! . I have always thought that Neville would be the one to kill Bellatrix, ever since we found out about her torturing Neville's parents! I really hope he does... That Bellatrix is a real nasty piece of work

I'm going to have to agree with LilyPotter on this one; I don't think Neville will die at the hands of Voldemort. As of right now, Voldemort's attention is directed towards Harry. He even ordered another to murder Dumbledore (albeit, it looks like there was another motive involved). If he were to want Neville dead, he would order one of the Death Eaters to do so.

As far as him defeating Bellatrix Lestrange, well, once again we hope Neville has the chance. This is a battle scene I can invision both Harry and Neville fighting together because Bellatrix has caused each of them grief and both have cause for revenge.

I like your theories. I think that the first one may not be so probable, but the second I think is probably is what is going to happen. Except, I don't think that everyone harry cares for is going to die. I was reading an interview last night, and it sounded like JKR was hinting that Ron might die. I hope not, but I bet that he probably will. Also, she said that there will be a reappearence of Sirius in some way as well. I think...I hope.



I always thought of it that way too! I think that it will definetly be Neville that kills her...if he does... if not, than she will probably kill him, but at least he will die trying. I hope that she dies. She is evil! Maybe possibly more so than Voldemort as far as torturing and killing people.

Heres one of my thoughts: What about Peter Pettigrew? What do you think is going to happen to him? Do you think that he will help Harry in someway, or will he chicken out and be faithfull to LV? He still owes Harry, so I think that in some way in the 7th book he will need to redeem himself...

Well, I read in one of her interviews, when someone asked that exact same question, she said something like "I can't tell you that for fear of incriminating myself"... something to that effect. So I am fairly certain he will pay Harry back for the life debt thing.

EDIT: Ok, sorry, this is bothering me... I have to find and post the interview. Here you go guys:


Both questions can be read at quick-quotes

K I know it's not much... but I think he will. Any thoughts?

I think it's great that we have this place where all us Gryffindors can talk!! I think that I'm most like Hermione and maybe a little bit like Ginny. Pretty much all of Gryffindors in the past have been good. That's an exception to Pettigrew. I really hate him. Other than that, I love all of Harry's friends. Gryffindor rocks!!!

What wil little Wormtail do? He's a low life but just maybe he'll have a change of heart last minute. I seriously doubt that. If he does repay Harry it will be in a wholly unexpected way where even he doesn't realize what he's doing. He certainly is cowardly so he'll probably try and help Harry if he thinks Harry can win.

Not necessarily. JK places a lot of emphasis throughout the series on one's power to redeem oneself. We've seen it in Karkaroff, Snape (arguably), Dobby, Draco, etc.

Dumbledore places a huge amount of his belief in the good of others on the fact that he believes people can redeem themselves. Even with young Tom Riddle, DD gave him the benefit of the doubt. DD knew that Tom had been suspected of torturing students, and that he had stolen from other students at the orphanage. DD gave him a chance anyhow. Same with Snape. Same with Hagrid.

I don't think JK would give the wisest character in the book this incredible belief in the common good, unless it was for a reason.

Therefore, I believe that (as much as I hate Wormtail, and I really hate Wormtail ) Wormtail will redeem himself by fulfilling his debt to Harry.

Once a marauder, always a marauder

Good point. I guess I'm just digusted by the thought that Harry owes his life to guy like Wormtail. But you're right. If the only power alien to Voldemort is love, then maybe the connection Harry made by sparing Pettigrew, and the connection Pettigrew had with James , will be what decides the war. Still, he deserves to suffer for his sins.

I agree. Sorry about this but I have another question. Do you think Pettigrew will reamain faithful to the other Maurauders? Will Lupin help Peter become good? Will Peter and Lupin die saving Harry and maybe later harry contacts the 4 deceist maurauders using the map or the mirror? I dunno, it sounds crazy!

I would have to give a big N-O on that one. Lupin hates Peter, and rightfully so. He killed his 2 best friends in the whole world, not to mention unleashing the Dark Lord upon the wizarding world, putting himself and everyone he loves in danger.

Still, Lupin has a good heart, I do believe he will do one of the two.
1.Kill Wormtail
2.Save Wormtail
both opposites but I think they could both fit in with his story arc

I'm not sure, Comet. While it's safe to say we should expect an act of redemption from Petigrew, I really don't expect Lupin to do either. I think Petigrew's actions in the seventh book will directly affect Harry as opposed to Lupin.
Will we see Petigrew grow frightened of Voldemort's actions? Will he rebel and play to the mercy of the Order? Will he thwart one of Voldemort's plans of attempting to kill Harry? Hmm... questions...

You put up a great argument, I still believe there will be of some importance between Lupin and Wormtail. Like common, they were best friends, then wormtail gets James and Sirius killed. There should be a big conflict there alone. That's what led me to believe the two theories i wrote previous

Yep, most definetly!

I think that Peter may help Harry in someway. But Peter is sort of a follower and isn't very good at doing magic, so I don't think that there is much that he can do. I have a feeling though, that Peter may end up dying, how though, I am not sure.



The connection between Lupin and Peter... I don't really think there is one. Yes, Peter is still a Marauder (I guess) I think that there is still a little loyalty towards the Marauders in him. I think that he will pay his debt in the 7th book...

Peter is the one that brought LV back, so I think that he owes it to Harry to help or sacrifice his life in some way. Especially since he is the one who pretty much led Sirius, James, and Lily to death. grrr... stupid peter! anyway.....

Hiya!!!
Guys,have you eaten the"insane root"???
Peter will NEVER help Harry!He brought Voldy back!He's a traitor!!!!
I don't think that will happen!!!!
I guess Neveille will die!Sigh!He was always so...so...so..Gryffindor!!!!
All in hands of the magical JK!!!

See ya!
Chels aka proud to be Harry's fella Gryffindor.

can we change the topic? how about.... If you could be in the next harry potter movie what would you do? Personally I would either be... one of the people coming to become a new quiditch player or...a crew member always involved in helping the actors

I'd kill to get the part of Shacklebot(?). He's so cool and manly. Reminds of Mace Windu from Star Wars. Or maybe Dolohov, we're both not right in the head. They're both such Alpha males and I've always wanted a part like that but never gotten it. Well I did play Asagai in my high school production of A Raisin in the Sun. Good way to change the topic Comet!

Hey guys, sorry to be a downer, but unfortunately there's already a thread here to discuss what part you would like to play if ever in a Harry Potter movie.

Discussions, while they may be changed at any time, need to revolve around Gryffindor, or anything that has to do with Gryffindor House.

Cheers!
~Cori

Ok, so about Gryffindor House...

What house do you guys think Tonks was in? And did she go to Hogwarts? I would imagine she must have, seeing as she is English and all, and most certainly didn't go to Beauxbatons or Durmstrang...

I would be willing to bet she was in Gryffindor. She is an auror, after all... and a bit too clumsy to have been in Ravenclaw...

If I recall correctly, she did attend Hogwarts. In the fifth book, during the little dinner party to honor Ron and Hermione for making prefect, Tonks said she was never elected one because she caused too much trouble, or somthing to that affect. But she never tells us her house. I agree with you LilyPotter, I don't think she would have been in Ravenclaw; and I think we can safely say she wasn't a Slytherin. I think she has more characteristics of a Gryffindor than a Hufflepuff, so yeah, I think you're right.

Besides, couldn't you just picture the Fat Lady giving a scolding to Tonks for tripping over *insert object here* and waking her up at night...(hehehe)

It's too funny that you say that, corijp, because I happen to be reading OoTP (yes, again, for the 4th time ), and I was just signing in here to add that to my last post! She never says she went to Hogwarts, but you definitely assume it, because she says she was never a prefect (wherever she went to school) because her head of house told her she lacked certain qualities. When Ginny inquires as to what qualities she lacked, she states "like the ability to behave myself".

HAHA LOVE THAT TONKS!

I definitely think she was in Gryffindor. She seems like a female version of Sirius.

If she attended Hogwarts then she was probably in Gryffindor. I'd say Slytherin but she isn't a pureblood and we know how Salazar is about Mudbloods. She is,like LilyPotter said, a female version of Sirius. She has all the qualities more than half the Gryffindors have, loyalty, courag, disregard for rules, good sense of humor, strong sense of right, refusal to conform, ect. She's one hundred percent a Gryffindor.

Why would you think she would have been in Slytherin? I only ask because Andromeda (her mother) was obviously a total blood-trator, having married a muggle. Plus, she is in love with Lupin, who is not only a werewolf, but a half-breed!

Yeah, I'd say she would have been severely ridiculed by the Slytherin House... not a member of it.

I would say she was Gryffindor. She's not studious to be in Ravenclaw (she even admits to cheating on her auror exams, by using her powers as a metamorphmagi instead of learning to disguise her appearance the proper way), and she doesn't strike me as a hufflepuff, mainly because she is too independent. Hufflepuffs tend to rely completely on their friendships. Also, she is a little too bold to be in Hufflepuff; She teases Mad-Eye ruthlessly

Dumbledore, in Year 2, tells Harry just what Salazar wants in a student. All the qualities (save Parseltongue) she has. You said it yourself, it's because she's from a family of blood traitors. If she wasn't, that would've been a good place for Tonks. The hat even considered Harry.

Tonks had all the qualities of a Slytherin? hmm... I never thought of her that way. Probably because she is related to the Blacks. But she was in Gryffindor, just like Sirius. Too bad she wasn't the same age as James and Sirius because then she could have been a marauder... she is like a female sirius isn't she? lol i wonder how much yonger she is then them?

That's a good question, HPgoldsnitch. Tonks really isn't that much older than the trio and Fred and George. If I had to guess, I'd say she's probably between Bill and Charlie's ages.

I'm not so sure Slytherin would have suited her; I believe there's a fine line between Gryffindor and Slytherin. Both do have overlapping qualities, but overall, it's courage, and selflessness, etc... that helps to distinguish the two. Tonks definately has those qualities.

True, but Tonks lacks several of the qualities that usual Slytherins posess. You see, Slytherins do not work well with others. For example, when Harry is trying to run away, because he is afraid that his presence is putting his friends' lives in danger in Chapter 23 of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Phineas Nigellus sees him and says, "We Slytherins are brave, yes, but not stupid. For instance, when given the choice, we will always choose to save our own necks."

Tonks does not fit that description. She is in the Order of The Phoenix, which means she is willing to risk her life for the good of the rest of the Wizarding world. Also, she is in love with a half-breed (Lupin), which no normal Slytherin would even admit to liking, nevermind being in love with.

If you add those instances to the fact that Nymphadora is a half-blood and comes from a family of blood traitors (namely her mother), she seems to be as far from a Slytherin as she can get. Just my thoughts on the subject

Again. She has most of the qualities and (were it not for the 'not a pure-blood' thing) she'd be good in Slytherin. Besides, several Slytherins will put themselves in harms way for others and do show some loyalty. Look at Crabbe and Goyle or Snape. All them show loyalty and maybe even concern for each other. Pansy seems very dedicated to Draco throughout the series, too. The Slytherins might be obnoxious jerks but they are still people. You've to give the credit they deserve, however little it might be.

FFFanatic06, I do see what you're saying and I think you bring up an excellent point! Snape, Crab, Goyle and Pansy are all very loyal to the people they hold in high esteem. So I guess it all goes back to there being a very fine line between the two houses. Gryffindors and Slytherins alike, are proud, they certainly are both courageous, though possibly for different reasons, and what else do you all think? What separates the Lion from the Snake?I'm curious to hear some of your thoughts.

Crabbe and Goyle, selfless?
They are with Draco because
1-They grew up with him, and he is probably the one they know best at Hogwarts and
2-He is the most popular boy from the beginning, making him their ticket to not being teased

Crabbe and Goyle are not selfless. Selflessness shows concern for someone else's well-being, not helping someone else to torture other students. I absolutely refuse to concede to the theory that Crabbe and Goyle are selfless.

As for Snape, he is pretty much off the table on this one, seeing as we have no clue whether he is working for LV or DD. That leaves his "unbreakable vow", among other things, open to interpretation.

The only Slytherin I can think of that isn't a total jerk is Slughorn, and even he is far from selfless, as he shows over and over again, by wanting the acromantula venom from Aragog (while pretending to be concerned for Hagrid), and having his little parties (in the past and present) for only those who show potential for success in the future.

So, you see, selfessness is simply not a main quality in Slytherin, but it is the main quality in Gryffindor. That, along with the other reasons I've listed, is why I believe Tonks wasn't even considered for Slytherin. I believe she was probably placed directly into Gryffindor.

I don't think FFFanatic06 was saying they are selfless, but that they are loyal to those they feel are worthy (for lack of better terms).
I agree with you that we have yet to see a selfless Slytherin in the books. Like you said, even old Slughorn has his own personal motives for his actions. (Oh how he loves being the "go-to-man" and having his former favorites ask for new recommendations for job appointments)

There aren't any former Slytherins in the Order, are there? Aside from Snape, who (obviously) betrayed everyone, I don't think there are any.

Why is that house so awful? Where did it go wrong? It could have been just a bunch of cunning people from full-blood wizard families, but something happened somewhere to the extent that Slytherins began thinking they were better than everyone else.

Some might say that it all started with the founder, Salazar Slytherin. I don't think that's it, though, even though he wanted to teach only pure-bloods.

Did it start with Voldemort, I wonder? I don't know. That's an interesting thought, though...