Actually, the sorting hat tells us that it did in fact all start with Salazaar Slytherin:

So, pretty much the hat is trying to put the message out that the houses should try to get along, and work together, especially in such dangerous times. But, it kind of eludes to the fact that Slytherin screwed it all up by leaving, separating the houses and making them unable to get along...

Could it be sort of a "curse of Slytherin" for all of the Slytherins to be so bad?

Curse of Slytherin's? Maybe but not likely. What happened here is obvious; class division. One class collectivley began to believe one thing and another said they were being stupid by thinking that. Each side sprouted zealots from people who were already inclined to that mode of thinking. And the rest is commonplace in history. (violence, injustices, ect.) This kind of stuff doesn't start with one man. Maybe at Hogwarts, yes, but I'll wage anything it was already in place. Besides,everyone in Harry Potter (save Albus) is guilty of some prejudice/bigotry at one point. Notice how the Gryffindors talk about the Slytherins or how everyone talks about the Hufflepuffs.

Sorry, I didn't mean an "actual curse", like a spell... what you said is pretty much what I was trying to convey. One of the founders of the school left because he wanted things to be his way. Slytherin wanted all pure-bloods. The other houses didn't want to segregate. Granted, Ravenclaw and Gryffindor are guilty too, because they wanted to segregate the houses into brave students and intelligent students, but atleast they went more on the students' ablilities than their heritages.

In the fifth year, the sorting hat pretty much begs the students and staff of the school to unite. Until this is done, there will always be wizards like LV around who want the wizarding world to be run "their way".

hmm... maybe they will throw behind the houses in year seven. How are the Slytherins on Veritaserum? Mean, nice? Coward lovers? (I mean Malfoy lovers) I am gunna go check out the other houses. They wont know I am there. Thank you poly juice

throw what behind the houses? It seems that the slytherins on vtm are the same as the slytherins in HP. well, the ones that i have encountered at least... let us know what you find out in the other houses. I wonder what they talk about?

I don't know, HPgoldsnitch. Several of our fellow Slytherins among VTM are nothing like that of the characters in the books. I don't think that statement is exactly fair.
Besides, the concept of sorting here is just for fun.

Comet, I'm also a little confused by what you stated; what do you mean by ?

I think what Comet was saying is that maybe in book 7 they will do away with the houses in an attempt to spearhead a school unity... which I highly doubt.

What they need to do is find a way for all of the separate houses to work together. Tradition is tradition. They aren't going to cast it aside now anymore than they did in the last war.

There's no reson to do away with the houses. It wouldn't make sense. The way you get rid of a tree isn't by cutting off a few branches. You have to get the roots. End the seperate tables thing, have more clubs that include all houses, make evry student right a report on a person from a different house, stuff like that. Actually, in the series, the only house that seperates itself from the others is Slytherin. The whole pure blood thing at work again.
Hey anyone remember when the Sorting Hat said Godric and Salazar were the best of friends. Maybe Harry and Draco will have to patch things up to banish Voldemort...

Um ewwww?!?

Sorry, but Draco is a real... not-nice-word-that-I-can't-post-or-I'll-be-banned

I'm not so sure that that particular friendship will happen, but I do think that there will need to be some strong, inter-house unity going on at Hogwarts. There's no reason that most of the students in the various houses can't get along. I say most, because some students will just never be anything but evil (aka Tom Riddle).

Think about this... the Death Eaters all attended Hogwarts themselves. If they were made to intermingle with the students of the other houses, and became very good friends with others, regardless of their house, maybe there wouldn't be Death Eaters after all. It's all about the children. Teach them that they are all equal and that they can all get along, and they will rise up together as opposed to split apart. I.E. instead of The Order and the DE's, just one big group fighting LV for the greater good of the wizarding community...

Right?

Not a bad thought, but Voldemort is one of those villians you can throw a hundred men at and you'll still fail. To beat a tyrant of this level it takes strength you van only get by overcoming everything, including your own hate. Harry's already begun to see Draco in a different light, just as Draco is seeing Voldemort in a different light. If they can do it then killing a Dark Lord might not be so hard.
But yes I do agree with you. If the school "integrated" more then there wouldn't be so big a problem. I guess the real problem is tradition in the wizarding world. One of America's saving graces has been its desire to all ways move forward. True that makes impossible to actually learn anything, but the right balance between then and now, hate and love, good and not so-good is the way to go.

Uh, yeah, I don't see that happening any time soon.

PLUS, since Draco attempted Dumbledore's murder, I doubt he will be coming back to Hogwarts. Simple as that. I think he will go join Voldemort's gang to make daddy happy, and he won't be coming back.

Oh my, LilyPotter! I nearly choked on my iced tea. LOL!

Anyhoo, while I'm not going to disagree with you all about the Sorting Hat's warning for the students to unite, to stand tall, and basically get along and work together, I don't think we'll see an end of the school houses. It's easier to manage a few rather than several.

FFFanatic06, I agree with what you said here:

Yes, Harry did witness Draco begin to lower his wand, and felt something in that very moment. Yes we saw Draco buckle under the pressure of Voldemort. It all remains to be seen, but I do feel that the two of them need (and may) form some kind of uneasy alliance when it's time to actually face Voldemort.

Fawkes09, I too don't feel that we'll see Draco again at Hogwarts... but you never know.

Hi!
Sorry I haven't been able to reply in awhile, but I have been so busy with school projects. I still have more to do, but I'm taking a little break.
Anyways,
I also doubt that Draco is coming back to Hogwarts also.
I was wondering though, is Harry going back? I think he is, but I'm not a 100% sure. JKR mentioned that they were getting a cool new DADA teacher. I hope Harry goes back, because he needs everything he's got to defeat Voldermort.
That's what I think anyways.

No love for Draco then. Oh well, I certainly do hope Harry Returns to Hogwarts. But I don't think he will. There wouldn't be reason to would there. He's gotten everything he needed from the castle already, the most important being a place to call home. But you don't really visit your parent's house when you grow up except for special occasions. Harry's come of age and now he must fend for himself.
I'm also curious as to who the new DADA teacher will be. Maybe a former Gryffindor...

Hufflepuff: Is wondering why Percy was in Gryffindor instead of Slytherin
Ravenclaw: Is wandering why dumbledore was in Gryffindor instead of ravenclaw
Slytherine: Is talking about how great the actor for LV was in GoF.

Hufflepuff is weird. Why don't they talk about hufflepuff matters?

Apparently a compromise couldn’t be found between the four, so all are to blame. Like FFFanatic06 posted …everyone in Harry Potter (save Albus) is guilty of some prejudice/bigotry at one point. I think Salazar was just looking to eliminate muggle interference.


I somewhat blame DD. What does he show young Tom as proof of wizardly ability? Something wondrous? Something awe inspiring? Oh no, he demos by a wardrobe exploding into flames! Made it look like fear inspiring mayhem can be learned at Hogwarts. Not to mention he further escalates it by never giving Tom his trust at school.


I however think he will. Currently the only account of what happened on the tower is Harry. Plus daddy IS still governor of Hogwarts.


As if I wouldn’t notice.


I as well. I want to see Nicholas Flamel. I hope he’s a Slytherin.

Would you trust Lord Voldemort? I certainly wouldn't...


It's not going to be Flamel, JK says on the rumors section of her website that he died after SS. Ok, I really think I have a good theory on this one. I think that Victor Krum will be the new DADA teacher. One, because in OoTP Ron and Hermione discuss (briefly) that she still writes to Victor, and wouldn't it just be a fun little side-plot to interrupt Ron and Hermione's romance by having Victor show up out of the blue? And, two:


The above quote is from JKR's online interview with World Book Day Chat in 2004.

So, we know Krum will be making an appearance in book 7, because he didn't have a part in books 5 or 6. Although the movie portrayed Krum as somewhat of an academic dunce, we know that that portrayal is grossly misleading. In the book, he is actually quite intelligent. I would not be suprised in the least if we were re-introduced to Krum as the new DADA teacher in book 7.

Hiya Vortext, good to see you made your way back to Gryffindor House.
I do disagree with you though; I'm not so sure we'll be seeing Draco at school in year seven. The entire school knows that he did attempt to kill Dumbledore, and that he was responsible for the Death Eaters storming the castle. I don't really think it would be exactly safe for him.
And Lucius was removed from his school govenor status at the end of Chamber of Secrets if I recall correctly.



LilyPotter, you really think we'll see Krum as DADA teacher? I figured he'd be too busy playing for the Bulgarian Quidditch team... that, and I just can't picture him as a teacher. hmmm..

Not to mention he's in Azkaban...


I don't think there will be much Quidditch going on in book 7. The entire wizarding world will be at war... there will be more important things for the world's best flyers to be doing. I am just totally guessing on Krum, but, since we know we will be seeing him anyways, I would venture to say that his being appointed as DADA teacher isn't all that far-fetched.

*invisions massive fly-by hexes during moments of battle* hehehe... sorry there LilyPotter.
Good point; if they were to continue Quidditch on a professional level, security would be an absolute nightmare. Also, I think Krum may be too young and inexperienced to teach. Perhaps we'll see him in the Order?

*cry* Ah well! So someone cool?
I’d say Tonks, but she’s employed. Plus all Lupinites are determined to hate her. A Weird Sister would be cool, but they may be too busy to commit to a full school year.
How about Mrs. Weasley? All the kids are grown and it would be massively funny to have Mom around.


Guess I just can't resist slythering about the lions.

Ah yes, but Lucius is also locked up in Azkaban. Does anyone else see a problem with this? I'm quite sure Professor McGonagall will have something to say about it, if no one else does.

Greatings and salutations, Vortex! I'll keep it brief and simple, Mrs Weasley is not a fighter. A DADA teacher must be a fighter the same way a math teacher must be a mathmatician(?). Otherwise we get Umbridge only not evil. Mrs Weasley, however much I may adore her, is more of a regulator/caretaker. But who knows, right? It would be cool to have her teach. And she could replace Minerva as Gryffindor Head of House.

Okay, I couldn't stay out of Gryffindor either!

As for DADA teacher, I think, despite his lack of experience, Krum would be a good choice. He graduated from Durmstrang, which places a major emphasis on the Dark Arts, so he would be knowledgeable in them. . . I don't know, though. Given the DADA "curse," I certainly hope it's not a Weasley-or even Tonks. Unless the curse is somehow eliminated.

Do you think JKR would stoop to reintroducing Krum just to create some tension between Ron and Hermione? (I say stoop because I think there's plenty for the trio to do without having relationship angst. . .)

Do you really think Malfoy is still on the board of governers, his being in Azkaban and all? I would think that this would strip him of his priviledge of that. I don't see Draco returning. I think that even though he was shown changing his mind and questioning the people behind his orders, Draco would still be a target for Harry-who's hatred for Draco from that night might be too much to overcome if he saw Draco on a daily basis. Would Harry forgive Draco for putting Dumbledore in the position that got him killed? I think Harry, who can be overly emotional during the best of times-won't be able to get past his own hate there.

I agree on all points. Krum would make a good DADA teacher just because of his schooling at Durmstrang, Rowling definitley isn't above re-introducing him to create conflict (no writer is) and there is no way Malfoy is still a school Governor. Being prosecuted as a Death Eater kind of makes that impossible.
But back to Krum, what has he been doing all these years? As top (is it safe to assume that) of his year at Durmstrang he must be talented. He's also had a few years to develope his powers and, while Albus wouldn't hire someone so young, who's to say wht Minerva will do? But I still want to know who'll be the new Gryffindor Head of House. Was Hagrid in Gryffindor? I can't recall, but if he was he'd be a good choice.

Janet! You came by and without Polyjuice Potion.
Good question... would Harry be able to forgive Draco? I really can't say yes. Harry has a thing for holding grudges, especially when it involves his enemies, so no, I don't see it happening. I do, however, think it's possible that somewhere down the road, outside of Hogwarts, they are going to have to attempt to work together. I know that seems extreme, but what better example to show exactly what the Sorting Hat was referring to then to team up the two? But it all remains to be seen.

Ok so no Mrs. Weasley. Even though it would be great to have someone chill the snogfest factor. Oh duh, just realized! How about the real Mad-Eye Moody? He was appointed that position by DD but got waylaid by Barty Crouch, Jr. Plus JKR is dying to tell the face scar story. Originally Remus Lupin was supposed to have the injury. If you look at the PoA dvd extras his werewolf form used to have two vertical scratches. Now Moody is sporting them.


I think there’s an ongoing plot to turn boy-who-loved into an unforgivable curse spewing hater. Would explain why the first thing LV did was touch Harry and prove to all he's defeated Lily's protection.

Well, like I said, we already know Krum is getting re-introduced. And, I don't think JK would pass up the opportunity to create a little Ron-Hermione jealousy involving him

I really do think that Krum will be the new DADA teacher.

As far as Mrs. Weasley goes, she said in OoTP that she "couldn't even dispose of a boggart properly"... so I don't think that her DADA skills are quite up to par with being a teacher...
Yes, JK did say that the Weasley children were all taught by her until they attended Hogwarts, but that teaching, as we know, had nothing to do with magic. It is clearly stated in the Rules and Regulations For Underage Sorcercy guidelines that underage wizards cannot do magic outside of Hogwarts. Therefore, their education was probably just centered around the basics of reading, writing, history and math.

I think Krum would make a fine DADA teacher. As passerby stated, he went to Durmstrang, which places an emphasis on the Dark Arts, and he was a triwizard champion! He had to get past 3 extremely dangerous tasks that would be nearly impossible for most wizards/witches of his age. I feel that Krum would be a very capable DADA teacher for Hogwarts.

Harry might hate but only when hated back. He has the capacity to let by gones be by gones if he sees the person has actually changed. He is Dumbledore's man through and through and Albus always emphasized(?) forgivness and treating each other with respect. Harry will, if the time comes, bury the animosity between him and Draco to overcome Riddle. If anything it will be Ron who won't be able to let go of his dislike of Draco. Harry will have to play mediator along with Hermione. Together they should be able to keep the peace.

Why would you say that? I don't think Ron and Draco have any real animosity towards each other. It's more like a mutual dislike...

Hermione really doesn't care if Draco calls her a mudblood... She's too smart for that.

I definitely feel that the only real rivalry here is Harry-Draco. DD did seem to emphasize the love/togetherness outlook throughout the series, so maybe we will in fact see Harry and Draco getting along... Although I think that if they do get along, it will be more of a forced thing. Sort of like Snape and Sirius. They loathed each other, and they made it perfectly obvious to just about everyone, but they still tolerated each other for the greater good of the Order.

Ron not lose his temper and hate Draco? Ron has the least amount of control of the team. Remember in the S.S. (P.S) when he and Draco got into a fight. Draco has offended Ron just a much as he has offended Harry and he doesn't have Albus's voice saying, play nice. Ron has Hermione and he can ignore her pretty(?) easily.

With the Ron and Draco thing, I think it is kind of like the Snape, Sirius, and James thing. Mutual dislike... I hope that Draco decides that he should help the order and try to get rid of Voldemort rather then help him. I think that in the end of the 6th book, Draco started to realize this. Draco is an interesting character, I think there is more to him than is put forth, Sort of like Percy.

Heres a question I have: What if it was Neville that became the choosen one rather than Harry??

It's an event that could never and would never happen. Voldemort's ego demands that he seek out others like him not necesarily(?) fulfilling what he preaches. He would therefore go for the boy most like him. It would be like asking what if Hermione were a Death Eater.
But hypothetically speaking, I think Neville would be dead. The Longbottoms strike me as a couple who would view dieing togther as something very honorablle so they'd have been struck down at the same time and no one purely for Neville. That was the whole thing with Lily and James. They died for Harry, not honor or whatever.

Alright, it' time for a change of topic. How's about who's the heir of Gryffindor and is it in any way relevant? I haven't read all the posts so I'm sorry if you guys have covered all this.
Personally I think it's the Weasleys. Look, they are all in Gryffindor. And they all have Gryffindor's quality's. All except for Percy who clearly should be in Slytherin. And the only way I think that's possible is that he's a decendant of Gryffindor. We know the hat can recognize the signs.

*ahem*

I think not

As I've made quite clear in the ships threads, you can bash fictional characters all you want, but if you start bashing *real* people, I'll shut the lot of these threads quicker than you can say 'unfair'. Just remember the first and primary rule on VTM - which I shouldn't have to remind anyone about, seeing as how you've all read them. Remember that these threads were a privilege and they will be removed if people abuse them. The decision was made not to allow passwords and the type of inter-house arguing that goes on in other forums and we will not be allowing those types of things in via the back door.

Behave, or lose the threads.

well, i think we don't want to lost that thread, eh

anyways,

haha! that's a cool question... well, i think harry was a better choice for the wizarding world, to be honest... neville would be so poor, he wouldn't be as determined as harry, i think... maybe the trio would have stand to him like ron and hermione are standing to harry? and help him and stuff... but i'm glad harry's the hero!

Yes, this does look like a million dollar question doesn't it... thinking along the same lines as RainyDay, I too don't think Neville would have made a good chosen one. Have we seen him display courage? Yes. But have we seen him stand up and become a leader? No. Neville, while I really do like him, I don't think he has it in him; he lacks the confidence to stand up, hold his head high, and lead his troops into battle (so-to-speak). These are traits that no matter what kind of magic transference could benefit. At least that's my two cents.

I still don't see the point in discussing this. It's an impossible scenario. Voldemort would go after whoever resembled him more.
But if you really want to know what I think just read a few posts up. Neville would've died that night and I'm sure of it. He's parents aren't the Potters.

hmmm when were neville's parents tortured to madness before or after voldie 'died' maybe he was with his grandmother who might not have saved him...also maybe he thought nevilles parents didnt count because they we tortured to insanity and that wasnt defing LV?? does tht make sense??

i don't think neville would have died that night... because LV had to mark someone as his equal and if he had killed neville right away, that wouldn't have been the case.
corijp, hmmm, yes...that's what i think too... neville's not as determined as harry is, he can't lead and he's just got other strenghts and talents! i think he is a good gryffindor...

ps: Ginevra_Molly, neville's parents were tortured after harry defeated LV...

You are forgetting, a prophecy doesn't have to come true. It requires a certain set of circumstances that are unique. These circumstances cannot be reproduced. Neville's parents, however brave and noble hey may have been, probably lacked the neccesary somethimg that made Lily's loove so powerful. Look at Neville's grandmother, she's rigid and sometimes not fully connected with her feelings toward Neville. Now I'm not saying that either of his parents were like that but when you grow up in a certain enviorment you reflect that enviorment to a degree. Since I don't know much about Nev's mum I stick to Nev's dad, who probably went for a woman after his own likeness. She would have probably been noble to the bitter end. But not sacrificial noble, valient noble. As in just fighting to the end for the sake of being noble instead of fighting to the end for someone you love. Emphasis on love. Which we all know was the key ingredient in keeping Harry alive.

I think his parents would've sacrificed themselves for their son. But, I think it would be different in terms that Neville would be living with magical relatives who live in the wizarding world. He would be growing up in a place where everyone loves him because he supposedly killed off Voldy. Isn't that part of the reason why Dumbledore took Harry to the Dursley's? To take the attention away from him. His head might get big, you know what I mean?

This is so cool! I'm officially a Gryffindor now.

Do you think that it would have changed Neville's character, from a blundering, shy, insecure, likeable but almost forgettable guy to someone more like Harry? How would it have been for Neville, who really hasn't much to show as far as magical prowess (even though he's getting more of a back-bone and therefore better at magic), to grow up in such a lime-light. You'd better believe Mrs. Augusta Longbottom (is that her first name??) would definately have pinned that over his head for all the world to see. I wonder how he would have reacted? Would he be the same Neville? Or would he be more corageous?

I don't think it would have mattered much. I think he might be a bit more confident, but I definately dont' think it would have changed his internal make-up so much. And that being said, I don't think he would have been much of a match for Voldemort.

Harry annoys me a lot. No secret. But. . .without his amazing gall and spunk, I don't think he'd be much of a match either.

And somewhere in time, I'm sure that made sense to me. . .

well, no i don't think it would have changed neville's character very much... his gandmom would have told him all the time about how glad she is to have him as a grandson, that she expects very much from him, and... finally that he has not his father's talent poor neville! i think his grandmom would first have been thrilled but then when she notices what he's good at (charms is a soft option, he should have taken transfigurations ) she wouldn't have encouraged him much... that's her... i mean, yeah, i like her, and i like neville. but that wouldn't change anything....
well, all in all i agree with passerby... neville wouldn't have been much of a match for voldie.

But then he would get some of Voldy's powers right? I don't know really. I haven't read the books for awhile, just lots of fanfictions. hehe. So yeah, maybe that would have given him a boost of some sort. I just think the difference would be his self-esteem would be much higher or something along the lines of being put into Slytherin because he's like worshipped by the Wizarding World for ridding them of the Dark Lord and his ego would like, burst. I don't know what I'm saying anymore.

Who will kiss my boo-boos from all these rampant lions treading all over my poor sweet snakey self? And then there’s that request for, I can barely type it, p a s s w o r d s. Who would inspire the need for such an evil thing?

I don't know what I'm saying anymore.
Truly the cutest thing I’ve read today. Prof. Snape scares Neville witless as it is. He would never be able to function in Slytherin.

Neville does have the potential to be the chosen one. I believe Nev has so much powerful magic loaded up inside him it trips his physical self up. Perhaps as an infant a well meaning relative placed a charm upon him to lock down his magic and keep him safe from LV’s interest. Why would his relatives think he may not have magic yet attempt to draw it out constantly as a child?

First question, is Neville a pure blood? Because if he is, then it would make sense for him to not be marked as LV equal... I think that if he was and he was a pure blood, then yes, maybe he would have turned into some big headed git, but I don't think that he would have the same mind mechanics as Harry does. Harry tends to jump to conclusions or guess wrong, and Neville...well, he just doesn't really think. I don't think that it would change his character very much though. But I think that he would have had a greater chance in dying because he would have stayed in the wizarding world.

I'm a little confused on that part of the prophecy, though...is it really talking about Neville? At first glance, it looks like it. But is it really about him?

As for Neville being a pure blood, I think he is, because both his parents were, speaking in the manner of their mental selves, killed by Death Eaters, and they were aurors, weren't they? Does it say that somewhere in the books, or am I just crazy?

I think that, if he was the Chosen One, his personality would have been different, because as of now, he's kind of slow-witted. But if he was the Chosen One, I think he might have been a bit more like Harry in that he would have thought more. Just thought more about everything.

It is my honest opinion Neville would not be around today if Voldemort had chosen him as the s Chosen one. Firstly, you are all discussing this as if it came down to Neville which is, in my humble opinion, a mistake. If we can learn anything from Harry's life is that it isn't just about one person. Harry lived because of his parents and who here can honestly say the Longbottoms would have done the same. The Potters went into hiding because they feared for their son's life and died to preserve that life. They gave up everything just for Harry. This is an amazing sacrifice and one few would make. I'd bet my left leg on that. It takes something more than just courage and a sense of right to do what the Potters did. I may not know what that thing was but, I do know very few people have it.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. . .I'm not sure what "if it came down to Nevlle" means, I guess. As far as the prophecy (which I don't really care about, honestly)-Dumbledore told Harry that the two people Voldemort could have picked were Harry or Neville. I had wondered if other people though Neville would behave differently if he HAD been chosen. . .I do realize that it's nothing that is in the realm of HP possibility, though. Just something fun to hypothesize. All in all, the prophecy did not refer to Neville-because Voldemort marked Harry. Prior to that "marking," Voldemort could have chosen Neville as his birthdate was also in the acceptable range. Gack. What am I going on about?

Neville is a pure-blood and his parents were aurors, Fawkes09, but I don't know if that has anything to do with their position as aurors, or their being tortrued by Death Eaters. I think his grandmother's listed in the Black Familty Tree, but I could be mistaken.

Sorry, I meant "we're all discussing this as if Neville would survive his first encounter wth Voldemort." When I type I'm usually a sentence or two ahead of what's already typed and sometimes it doesn't make sense even to me.

I would also like to add to my previous argument the fact that the Longbottoms were Aurors and, by the sounds of things, very commited ones. I don't think they would have gone into hiding or try to flee with there son. They'd would have stood their ground and died for being foolish instead of out of love for there son. Which we all know is why Harry survived.