Neville is a pure blood and Harry's mother is a mud blood.Voldemort's father is also a mud blood thats why he choosen Harry not Neville.

Alright, this is going no where. Furthermore it's pointless to argue something that can't happen because the opposite has already happened. Everyone is going to come up with stellar points and noone going to walk away with the clear win. So let's argue something that's a little more definite in answer; "Why is it that the ghosts can be friendly while the living Gryffindors and Slytherins remain bitter foes?"
I think it comes down to age and experience. Youth has the dreadful tendency of behaving like fools while old men forget why they disliked each other in the first place. It's not much but maybe it'll be enough for a new argument.

Hi!!!
I totally agree with you on that one.
But I also might think, what if the ghost don't want to get involved with what is happening right now.
That's what I think anyways. Tell me what you think.
~proud to be weird~

hmmmm, well, yes, i also think that ghosts are too old and experienced as to fight like schoolkids... they learn how they can 'live' happier and that it often doesn't make any sense to be enemies...
i think DD was absolutely right, to say that the first thing they have to do, is to stand together... that's just important! and the order also has to stand together! they have to get over their little arguments... it would be much easier... but it's not easy not to argue *g* we all know mrs. weasley

Hey I'm new here and in Gryffindor! Isn't that obvious.....

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Well, that question about the ghosts being able to get along...I don't know about you, but doesn't having a rival in sports, or acedemics, or anything make life more interesting? You can't wait to get a chance to go up against that person to show them who's better. Maybe that's the deal between the Gryffindors and the Slytherin, so it makes them enjoy life knowing that some day they're going to have to go up against each other. Ghosts are already dead, so I think they figure "Why have a rival for all enternity? I'm goning to be aroud for ever."

Sorry this post is so short. I'll elaborate when I get the chance to.

I think the reason that ghosts can get along is that they're dead. They have nothing more to worry about, in the sense of making people like them, because they can always go somewhere else. So naturally, they're happier with not having to please anyone but themselves.

That's my opinion.

Well, ghosts don't always get along, do they? I mean, Peeves is always annoying all the ghosts, so they don't like him all that much... and the Bloody Baron scares the crap out of all the other ghosts, so I wouldn't exactly call that getting along...

The best example is the Headless Hunt group of ghosts that don't let Nearly Headless Nick participate because he isn't "technically" headless. Nick really resents them after that. Plus, he works extra hard to impress the other ghosts at his deathday party... He says they will all be impressed because Harry Potter came.

I don't know, I mean, it just doesn't seem like they are all getting along that well... Apparently ghosts have feelings too.


On a not that is slightly ... does anyone know if there is a thread for our favorite quotes? I found some funny ones I would like to post...

Hmm.. I believe it was the fourth book (if I recall correctly) that the ghosts had a bit of a disagreement over Peeves attending the feast. Nearly Headless Nick gave the impression that the Bloody Barron's say is pretty much how it goes...

With that, I do believe they have their moments of discord, but we seem to see more often in a more positive light... again, like Nearly Headless Nick said, he wouldn't seek out an argument with the Bloddy Barron...

LilyPotter, here's the link quotes.

What can I say, corijp, you're the best! Thanks a bunch!

*On my way to post the quote from Tonks and Moody where they talk about wizards losing buttockses*

Be Right Back

LilyPotter, tsk tsk, brb isn't an approved form of netspeak for the forums...
(though I look forward to reading those quotes you have... should be good.)

Crap *fixes last post*

Sorry about that... didn't even think about it

I have collected about 15 quotes that are pretty darn funny. I am gonna post them today at work... should be good for a mild laugh, atleast

hey lilly wat happened to that post?
i was looking forward to it! anyway im a slytherin and i just wanted to come to the brilliant gryffindor common room to visit with my pure-hearted counterparts. i hope im aloud here... i dont mean you any harm, the slytherin board got boring....

Hey there Legorii and welcome to Gryffindor house!

Lilypotter posted a few of her favorite quotes here if you want to check them out.

So to bring back discussion to this thread, earlier I was thinking about somethings from HBP and I remembered Slughorn talk about how Sirius went to Gryffindor and his brother went to Slytherin. Then I remembered a comment Hermione made about the Patel twins and how they each went to different houses... so, while siblings, while are very different indeed, what traits do you think define the placements in each of these examples? Hmmm (did I make sense?)

Well, I would imagine that the Patel twins being in Gryffindor and Ravenclaw is probably due to the academic factor. Padma is probably the more studious of the two. I don't know... just a thought.

As far as Sirius and Regulus, I think that the fact that Regulus was willing to join with LV speaks for itself . Sirius would never have done that.

Another reason why I think Sirius was put into Gryffindor was because he was more brave than Regulus. Was Regulus one of the Death Eaters who signed up out of fear, or am I thinking of someone else? Regulus seemed like an idiot to me. That's my opinion.

We don't really know why or how Regulus signed up, but I would venture a guess that it was out of fear, or out of wanting to be accepted.

Yeah, I'm sure that bravery had a lot to do with it... but moreso I think Regulus just followed in his parents' footsteps of loving the pure-bloods over half and muggleborns. Plus, obviously he had some tendency towards the dark arts, because he did join with LV at some point.

I agree that Sirius was put into Gryffindor because he was braver than Regulus. He was definitely loyal to his friends as well, and even when it came down to death, he was courageous and fought for the Order. He was rightly placed there.

Poor Sirius. Such a good man.

Do you really think Sirius died or he is just in some different place and will come back? I'm not sure what to believe, but I desperately hope for the second choice to be true, but I don't think it would happen.
What do you all think?

Oh my gosh ! My favorite topic! Sirius is so not dead...

Seriously, I have good reasons behind this, I promise... check out my post on this here!

Seriously... Sirius is not dead... He just can't be

I can’t believe Sirius is dead either. We barely got to know him. I want Harry to get that communication mirror and use it with the Mirror of Erisad. I want to know what happens when you hold two magical mirrors facing each other.


I guess one wanted to step forward more and not be so concerned about facts and following rules.

I don't think Sirius is dead at all! He's just in another dimension right now! I hope
I wonder if Harry goes back to the veil, if Sirius would just pop out and say hello or something. I was just joking about that.
I would also like to know hwat happens if you put the two mirrors together.
Very interesting...

Okay, dears, I know his death hard to believe, but I am one of the few that thinks that Sirius is, in fact, dead.

Why would J.K. Rowling put us through the ringer if Sirius wasn't really dead? That's like saying that Harry's parents are still alive. It's like the claims about Dumbledore being alive, and I don't think that J.K. would put us (or Harry, for that matter) through such a terrible thing. In the book, we saw Bellatrix hit Sirius with a spell (most likelky a fatal one), and then he slipped behind the veil. He was not seen again, he did not come back out, therefore I believe that he is dead.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want Sirius dead. I love Sirius just as much as the next Pottermaniac does, but I honestly don't think that J.K. would say that Sirius is dead, and then bring him back again. It doesn't make sense.

Excellent point, Fawkes09, JK doesn't just put things in her books for no reason, does she? It actually supports my theory that Sirius is in fact alive. You see, we couldn't see what color the beam of light was that shot from Bellatrix's wand toward Sirius. We couldn't hear what spell she said, because she didn't say it... So, why would JK just leave those things out? I believe it was on purpose. I also believe that it is no coincidence that Sirius was "killed" by an ancient magical tool that we know absolutely nothing about (the veil, which is in the "department of mysteries", which is studied by "unspeakables", who can't divulge anything).

Does everyone else not see this immensely long chain of ridiculous coincidences?

Not to mention, she just "threw in" the 2-way mirror, without ever really mentioning it again... why would she do that? I think it is going to be Harry's way of communicating with Sirius again (after he has it fixed, which I am confident he will).

Any takers on this theory?

Well, Lily, if my knowledge of fantasy serves me right the "Veil" always represents the boundary between the realm of the living and that of the dead. And, in very fantasy book I've read, passage through the veil results in the forfeit of ones life, unless protected by powerful magic. Which Sirius wasn't. He had been attacked by a powerful witch. A witch who boasted about being a mistress of the Dark Arts so I'm positive she could perform non-verbal spells. Dolohov could, not with its full strength but enough to completely disable Hermione.
But, hey, if Rowling could make a sissy like Quirell the villian of Year One then she can bring back Sirius. Besides, Albus obviously enjoys teaching Harry through first hand experience. Not that I'm saying he masterminded this or anything. I just hope Year Seven comes out soon. (7/7/07 is just to far off)
P.S. Sirius was definately in Gryffindor. He had the same motivation Harry had to not be in Slytherin so it seems stupid to have them in different Houses.

Hey!!
Yay, I am back. Lots goes on around here when one isn't present for a week.

Anyway, the veil. Do we think that Sirius is trapped behind the veil or is actually dead. I think and I HOPE that Sirius will come back. But knowing JKR I am not sure that that will happen. Though she did say in an interview that she was sorry she did so. That gives me hope that he may return. That would be so cool.

The veil is an interesting thing.

How do we know that for sure? Maybe DD put some really powerfull spells on him that would make him not dead..

Why would Dumbledore have done that, though? I don't think he knew that Sirius was going to die any time soon, and maybe the Veil just takes whoever steps through it, magic or not.

I don't know if we will, but I hope we get some more information on the Veil in the next book. I'll be disappointed if we don't, because I'd love to know what it's all about.

I would be so dissapointed if JKR did not explain more about the veil. I still think that Sirius is alive. I agree with lilypotter! You guys probably think I'm in denial. Oh well...
I think we need a topic change, does anyone have any suggestions? I can't think of any at the moment.

Hi all, I'm new to the thread. I wanted to post here because just about every house test I take I'm put in Gryffindor.
Anyway, I think Sirius is dead, but I had time to get used to the idea before I read the books. Someone told me because they were upset and I didn't read the books then. A friend of mine was in denial about it for a long time about it. But she wrote his obictury and that helped her get over it. Death by drapery. But seriously Sirius and the charcter that died in HBP had to die in order for Harry to stand alone.

Welcome to Gryffindor, Amyrat151! It's always good to have new people in our house. Hope you'll have fun with all of our discussions!



I agree with you on that one. If those two characters wouldn't have died, Harry woulld have had more people to depend on than just himself and his friends. I think that the death of these characters was necessary for Harry to sort of pass from teenage years into his adult life and be independent.

Thank you for welcoming me, and agreeing. I loved Sirius and it really sucks that he died, but people die in real life that we think shouldn't of. I love how JK brings a reality to her books. The characters are so relatable.

I agree. However much I wish Harry would have learned his lesson long ago, it took Dumbledore’s death to really get through to him. More than once I’ve felt like screaming into my book, ‘wake-up! You have a job to do and you’re letting other people do it for you? Just when do plan on growing up?!’ Time and time again he’d waste time with idiotic things that are completely irrelevant and shake his responsibilities. Quidditch practice instead of properly tailing Malfoy; worrying over his best friends approval instead of training, or at least prepping, himself for the fight he knows he’s going to have; losing his nerve against a bunch of dead bodies when he knows what will stop them; using a technique who’s power he doesn’t know and then trying to justify nearly killing a fellow student with it. I can’t even begin to express my outrage at Harry’s behavior since year three. He’s not half the man he was back in year one.

Aren't you being just a little bit harsh, FFFanatic? It's extraordinary how much a young boy has been able to do, and still not be damaged by it. Imagine: he has lost his parents, his godfather, his mentor . . . if I were him, I'd be petrified who I was going to lose next! Yet he has been unwavering in his cause. However unlikely, considering how much he yet has to learn, we'd like to see this teenage wizard succeed. Dumbledore knew that it's not knowledge that would defeat Voldemort, but the qualities that Harry possesses and that have only strengthened over the years.

Perhaps Dumbledore could see better than anyone else that Harry would become a fine phoenix without any further help.

Yes, I suppose you’re right. It’s knowledge and heart that’ll best the Dark Lord, not brawn. I’ve always been of that opinion. But I cannot bring myself to excuse Harry’s dereliction of duty. I understand the need for friends, love and general companionship but the fate of the world rests on his shoulders. How can he afford to spend more time worrying over sports than what a rogue might be planning and scheming. But I guess that’s the part of the world Voldemort doesn’t understand…
I still wish he’d of been more of a man in those situations instead of a little boy. Kind of like when he told Hermione and Ron he was going for the stone or when he took that drink of Felix. That’s the Harry who I think is going to save the world. Or ,at least, the one I feel most secure under.

Hi! It's been about a week since I've posted anywhere on the site and thought I'd start with the good ol' house thread!

Well, I have to say I can see FFFanatic's side of the argument. Harry's behavoir, although understandable, has been bothering me a while. It startred to get reeeally annoying around book five. I mean, I understand that he's lost most of the people he loved and valued, but he doesn't need to become so...whiny...about it. Some things you just have to keep inside and not a fit or sink into depression anytime someone brings them up, like Harry tends to do. He has to learn to come to terms with all his loses sooner rather than later, because if he doesn't, it will be very easy for Voldemort to mentally manipulate him and make his lose his head during their battle.

On the Sirius topic, all I have to say is that I think he has left us. The Veil, in my opinion, sounds like a sort of black hole/vacuum kind of thing. Anything that goes in can never come out. But let's hope I'm wrong and that there is a way to open the viel and rescue anyone who has ever fallen in!

Otaku_Punk

Well Otaku, judging by every mention of the veil I’ve ever come across, there is. It’s just that it’s something you don’t do. Picture ripping a hole in the time-space continuum. That’s sort of what’s supposed to happen. In most of the fantasy books I’ve read they try to prevent the tearing of the veil. But I too wish for Padfoot to still be alive or come back to life although the latter is impossible according to Albus. Sirius was cool. A jerk but cool.

Well, according to Albus, it is impossible to come back from the dead. But who says Sirius is dead? I think he is just in the land of the dead, so to speak. There are just too many discrepencies and unanswered questions regarding his supposed death. There has to be a reason for all of that.

I never said he was dead. I hope he’s not! But if he is in the land of the dead I doubt he’s still alive. Last time he was in an environment of death and despair (Azkaban) he barely made it out. He’s knowledge of his innocence kept him alive but what about now? How can he still be alive?
But maybe he’s love for Harry and the need to protect him may be a beacon of light that might help guide him back to our world. Every time I’ve heard the Veil mentioned, in other books, it took some powerful bit of magic to bring whoever was in there out of it. And according to Albus love is the strongest power on Earth. So maybe Harry’s love will call Sirius back.
It all still seems very unlikely to me still. I won’t put anything past Rowling but I still can’t quite bring myself to be more the fifty percent willing to believe Sirius alive.

I too, wish that I could put my suspicions of Sirius still being alive at full force, but, I just don't think JKR would do something so predictable.I almost think, if she wanted to create an atmosphere where Harry would have to be forced to face his battle with Voldermort by himself, and with no help behind him, she would have to elminate all of the characters that are as strong, or possibly stronger than Harry, that have his best interests at heart. Dumbledore and Sirius qualify as this, and they to go in order for Harry to realize his task. If the had both still be alive, he would take the back seat, and let them rescue him, once again. Seriously, if they were both still alive, does it seem in character for Dumbledore and Sirius to watch him march out the door and attempt to battle someone, and not even try to back him up? They care about him too much to let him face it on his own, so the only answer was for them not to have a choice of helping him or not. I really miss Sirius, because the realtionship with Harry was also so well written, but I guess, in someways, I understand why.

Oh, and um..I was sorted in Gryffindor House a few days ago, so, hi!

You are being a bit harsh FFFanatic06. Give Harry a break! Look at how many close ones he has lost in his life, how would you cope with that? You also can't expect him to grow up in an instant, it takes awhile to happen.
I do agree that he should have been tailing Malfoy more, and other things, but i still think he should do some things he enjoys from time to time.
I expect that in the last book we will see Harry grown-up and succed.

But we also have to remember Harry is a boy, boy's are stupid, especially teenage boys. But seriously, I won't try to defend 5th book Harry. Harry was whiny and self-centred, but I think Sirius's death changed him, if only a little. What Harry told DD in the Weasley's broom cupbort shows his growth. He has gotten over his grief and has stopped shuting people out. Which is all he did to Ron and Hermione in the 5th book.
And well Harry is the Chosen One, it's not all he is. Quiddicth is imporant to him, and Ron. And Ron is more imporant to Harry than Quddicth. And I have to admit that I think tricking Ron into drinking the luck potion (that wasn't really the potion) was clever. He spent half the night worring about Ron, at least all that worring came to something.

I understand Harry is still young and we should show some sympathy for him. (I know perfectly well I probably wouldn't broken down under all his pressure some time ago.) But youth is not an excuse for stupidity. Ignorance maybe, but not stupidity. Who in their right mind would place Quidditch on the same level discovering a plot by a suspected Death Eater? Also, he's to easily influenced by peer preasure and to passive since the earlier books. Maybe all the suffering he had at the Dursley's hands did him more real good than having Hermione and Ron around. At least back then he was gutsy. Now I'm left to wonder if Neville would make a better "Chosen One". To me Harry is just full of potential but nothing more. Hopefully we will see a more mature and competent Harry in Book 7. I think he'll be like the Harry that got the memory from Slughorn, confident, honest, noble and true.

hi, licoricewand, welcome to Gryffindor! Settle yourself into one of our comfortable couches by the fire.

FFFanatic, where were we? Oh yes, Harry's immaturity. Well, perhaps it's not so surprising since he is after all a very young person. It's easy to call his choices immature with hindsight. You can't blame him for wanting to listen to his friends -- he did want to go after Malfoy, and not only his friends but everyone else in the school too did everything to turn him away from finding out what Malfoy was up to. McGonagall. Dumbledore. To name a few people that Harry respects. You can't blame him from wanting to play Quidditch after having been bludgeoned into giving up stalking Malfoy, really.

Yes, he is "easily influenced", "immature", "stupid", but that all goes with the learning process of youth.

You say that he is less "gutsy" than he was in the earliest books. That is also a reflection of the same groth process: very often someone is more gutsy and brave as a young teenager than as an older teenager. Simply because at that very young age and before hormones start to complicate things, things are more clear, and you still don't have the life experience that tells you that something may be extremely dangerous or unwise.

I think that throughout the years that we've known him, Harry has remained confident, honest, noble and true despite the difficulties of adolescence.

Well, Bumblebee, you are far more kind and reasonable then I am. Of course I know you're right but I can't help but feel more for the old Harry than the new one. Peer pressure is a powerful thing, especially when it's from the people you've grown to respect. When I was younger I didn't disobey or disagree with any of my teachers. Now...Let's leave it at that.
Any way, hopefully book sevens Harry will prove to be the hero we've been waiting for him to be. Let's all keep our fingers crossed.

I can see what you mean about it being hard to defend the 5th book Harry. But he was going through a stage that all teenage boys go through. The stress of Voldemort being after him was finally taking its toll. At least he grew out of it. He is definately a real hero.

Hmm...FFFanatic06, I can see some reason in your side of the argument, about immaturity, priorities, age, and the like. But I have to disagree with you on some of this...

We need to keep in mind that Harry is not even seventeen yet. He is still very young, and to be faced with the things that he is faced with at sixteen, Harry is allowed a few mistakes if you ask me. Harry may be immature at times, but isn't that normal for boys of his age?

Yes, he is sort of the "exception to the rule" because of his stance in the Voldemort situation. But need we blame him for all of his stupid moments? He is a sixteen-year-old boy, who still needs to live out his childhood. No matter what he may say, he is not an adult quite yet, and not even of wizarding age, and teenagers in general are immature.

In the fifth book, Harry was very, as you said "whiny" and he was very stupid at times. But he was being a typical boy at fifteen...immature! I'm a girl at fifteen right now, and I know that it's a weird age for even me.

I'm just saying cut the boy some slack, because he's got a lot to deal with. And on the Quidditch subject (why would Harry put Quidditch before tailing Malfoy), Quidditch seems to be the only way he can truly escape from problems and just have fun. And sometimes, a little fun is all you need to keep you sane and grounded.

That's my two Knuts on the debate.

Yes, well, I don't see much point in excusinmg Harry's stupidity and negligence. Just because I can sympathize with you doesn't mean I'll cut you any slack.
Let's get off this topic. We're all of the opinion Harry was being stupid so I don't see much point in continuing. Thoughts on Percy being a true Gryffindor, anyone? Personally, I feel he's another Peter Pettigrew only a tad bit smarter. Otherwise I just can't stand.

So away from Harry and towards Percy? Okay, I can work with that.

You make a good point in comparing Percy to Peter. I've been wondering the same thing. Pettigrew was sorted into Gryffindor, if I'm not mistaken. Percy's a smart one, but he's also quite cunning, very ambitious, and takes advantages of the situations he's in, even at the cost of hurting his family, and friends. And up until now, we haven't been able to see if Percy is unhappy with what he's done or if he feels like he did the right or wrong thing. I don't like him very much, and I don't think I'd get too worked up if he took a long walk off a short cliff...but for some reason, I think he will redeem himself and get back with his family, only to die in the clutches of a Death Eater.

Could it be that the Sorting Hat made a mistake? I think it did with Pettigrew, so why not Percy? I think he belongs in Slytherin or Ravenclaw.

The sorting hat is never wrong. JKR said that in the 2005 interview. Percy may be the biggest jerk alive, but he's no Death Eater, like Pettigrew. I have this feeling that he will be redemed, or such is my wish. Because of Mrs. Weasley, her pain honestly breaks my heart. When a family is broken up, it's quite a painful affair. Anyone who's been through it knows. ::sad sigh::