What a contradictory issue. On one side - Harry doesn't want to be evil, and you really have to have some of that in you if you use an unforgivable curse. On the other - Harry must kill Voldemort (what a fate), and might have to use Avada Kedavra to do so. However, let's not forget that one can be killed not only by that curse. There is the Veil, for instance.
More on the subject of Unforgivable Curses. Harry came really close to using one. In HBP, he almost succeeded in crucio-ing Snape, except the later was able to read his mind and counter the spell. If Snape had not done so, we might have very well seen Harry torturing him.
I think, after deaths of Sirius and Dumbledore, and all that he had to go through, Harry finally worked out the feelings needed to use an Unforgivable Curse. He became darker, more determined to end the war, as we see in the end of HBP. I think we mught very well witness hill pull off an "Avada Kedavara" in Book 7.

HP_RULES!, there aren't much people left to be killed. Only Ron and Hermione.. (somehow I don't think Ginny will be murdered)

When I said that someone might have to be killed I was thinking on the lines of Ron or Hermione. Oh, I forgot about the veil, maybe he wont have to use one! I'm still not sure that he'll be able to, as darker as he has become, but I guess we'll see. Maybe on Snape, but not on Voldemort. I still don't think he hates Voldemort as much as he does Snape, which brings us back to the fact that he probably wouldn't succeed in using one against Snape because he can't close his mind. There's definitely a lot to think about.

Wow, on a side note, when I start school again in like a week or two I don't think I'll be able to keep up with this thread. You go away for a few hours and you've missed pages of discussion!

Why can't I remember what the Veil is? Are we talking about that thing in OOTP? I'm just read that.. I feel so stupid. lol
I do agree with Bluezz, though. Harry has been getting darker with each book.. maybe he will be able to pull off an Unforgivable Curse. I'd be surprised.. but maybe.

That's another thing. So far, Harry seemed to get by on sheer luck and a few spells. In Book 7, I think, this won't be enough. He will have to work hard to learn occlumency and other useful techniques. What do you think?

russian_phoenix, the Veil is a mysterious drape behind which Sirius disappeared and never came back Voices can be heard coming from it. (just a general overview)

On a side note, you'll just have to reflect on the topic at hand, then Or maybe this thread won't be as popular then =)

Yeah I know exactly what the Veil is, I just don't understand about using it as a weapon, as you guys were saying..

Who says Harry cant use an Unforgiveable Curse, its not the evil in him, its the hatrid in him that wants to kill Voldemort. You cant kill someone very easily without using Avada Kedavra, and Harry wasnt able to use the Cruciatus curse on Snape and Bellatrix because they blocked it. Member Snape saying to Harry that his curses will never work unless he uses non verbal spells.

My gosh! I have so much to catch up on.

One thing, I agree that Harry will use an Unforgivable curse. He must kill Voldemort, and the only real way to kill him is to use Avada Kedavra (sp?). The only thing that may be bad about this is if he will be punished for his actions.

On one hand, the law states that if you use an unforgivable curse, you go to Azkaban. On the other hand, he would be doing good for the world. I don't think they will put him in Azkaban, and if they do it will be for the shortest amount of time possible.

That's all I have to say.

-Lucky

Lol, what..the Ministry putting Harry away for killing to most evil sorcerer that has ever stepped foot on the Earth..no I don't think he would go to Azkaban for that. Plus, Dumbledore said that there are many ways to destroy a man without killing them, this could be what Harry does to Voldemort.

Drive him mad with spells. Or miracuesly(sp?) hit him with an Expelliaramus and smoke him in a tree and hit his head and he'll die, or right into a grater, eww gory.. lol.

I agree with Spencer Potter about how you don't have to be evil to us an Unforgivable Curse. Harry just has to be angry enough to build enough hatred to use it. I think that if you're evil then the Unforgivable Curses are easier to use, that's it.

I can't think of a different way that Harry could destroy Voldemort, unless it was emotionally. How he could pull that off is beyond me, though...it's not like Voldemort is emotionally connected to anyone. Maybe if Harry does something to remind Voldy of his past, that could break him...I don't know, I'm just thinking aloud...

Well your thinking allowed has got to me, did he have any friends or did he like his nanny(orphan mother whatever) at all? Did he ever want to meet his mother? Did any of that remind him, maybe if Harry told him of the Pensieve and everyones memories like Slughorns of how badly Mary was treated or whatever her name was.

Well that is what Dumbledore said anyway, maybe we will find out a few ways in book seven of how you can destroy a man. For Voldemort I can't think of anything because he has never loved anyone, or cared for anyone, I can't think, but JKR is the boss of the operation not me thankfully.

i'm not sure there's very many things anyone could do to destroy Voldemort. he doesn't care about anyone or thing, he can't be talked into or out of anything, he's the most powerful and clever wizard on earth{now that Dumbledore is dead}. . . unless Harry found a way to take his power away! extremely unlikely, but just a thought.

If Harry found a way to take away Voldemort's power over the people, there wouldn't be very much left of him to kill. take away his power over people . . and he would be completely destroyed psychologically.

i'm not sure if there's a way to take his magic away from him, but his power over the people may be possible. No idea how Harry could do it, just throwing something out there

I mean but how can someone not care about something if you know what I mean, Like you have to care about something? Like Holy *bleep*, everyone has to care about something.. Oh! Im so repetitive.

Spencer, Lizzy, not evil? Well, wishing someone dead and attempting to kill them isn't good either. And to use Avada Kedavra effectively, one really has to want the death of the person they are aiming the curse at. And that is not a good feeling to have. I'm not saying Harry is evil, mind you, but there is a dark side to him, which grows stronger and stronger as he endures all the suffering.

Secondly.. I like the theory about destroying he man without killing them, but I just don't think that's possible. Dumbledore emphasized quite a few times that Voldemort is unable to love, because he is so far down the path of evil, murdering and splitting his soul. Furthermore, remember the prophecy? "Neither shall live while the other survives,” meaning either LV or Harry has to die (or both of them). I just don't think there is any way around that. Voldemort can only be defeated if he is killed. (incidentally, death is his biggest fear..)

the only thing i can think of that Voldemort is actually attached to, is his precious snake. but i think he would choose himself over her any day.


what Voldemort cares about isn't solid. it's immortality and power that he needs to survive. they're what his whole life is about. those are his weaknesses and that's where Harry needs to attack him from.

Just because the prophecy says, 'Neither can live while the other survives' doesn't mean that one of them has to die..Harry could banish Voldemort into the fiery depths of hell for all eternity or Harry could banish Voldemort into another dimension or something for all eternity where no one could get him out or he couldn't break free. I would rather Voldemort go straight to hell than him die, or I suppose he could go to hell after he dies. Maybe Harry could inflict the pain on Voldemort that he himself caused and that alone would probably kill him, the pain of all the families being separated, the agony of relatives dieing, the fear of the deadly monsters and the wizard himself, everything he ever caused.

Well, this isn't science fiction, but if Voldemort is banished into another demension, he will still "survive." I really like the idea of imposing human pain on the Dark Lord, though. Would make a great, heroic ending. But I'm not sure if that is possible. LV isn't human, I doubt that anything can cause him pain great enough to kill him.

I think that's exactly what it means James, that one of them has to die. But, I'm not stepping all over your theroy, it makes sense. I don't think that Harry will used Avarda Kedravra to kill Voldermort, I have this theroy that the three will do this combind power thing and Harry will sorta distroy him with his mind or something, it sounds lame but it works out cool in my head.

Yeah I get good vibes about that Amy. I mean when I go to sleep I try to dream whats gonna happen how like Harry is in Voldys eyes when he dreams. So im trying to dream of different possibilities. They are really cool. Try it.

Really I don't think Harry will use an unforgiveble curse to kill Voldemort.
Do you remember what Dumbledore said? About love?It's the only power that Voldie doesn't know... and what about using love? Could Harry use it to kill Voldemort?

Thats very true, but apart from DD saying it, didn't he have a lot of love and kindness that he gave to the world? Yet he still died...

Tigzie, ironic, isn't it? The good guys go first..

That theory about love is very true. And don't forget about that locked room in the Ministry of Magic. Is there a weapon there with which Voldemort can be defeated?

I'd elaborate more, but I don't have the time right now. Sorry =(

Thats alrite! I shall debate with myself... Hmmm. Strange one.

We definately havent seen the last of the Department of Mysteries though. Maybe there is something there? Do you think the brains that attacked Ron were just brains programmed to attack (sorry for that really bad explanation!) or something darker?

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I feel really bad for asking aswell, but will someone please read my fic if you have spare time? I would like to get into writing HP fics so a little constructive cirtisism wouldn't go amiss with me!! The link is in my signature

Thank you all xxx

Possibly the "weapon" in the DoM will help Harry, but there is millions of possibilities to kill a man, Avad Kedavra curse is another way of "shooting" someone.

Very good point, but doesn't that also bring the question, is Voldie like a man? Will his Horcruxes help him to survive? Do you think that one of the Unforgivable Curses will do enough to kill him, or will Harry need something bigger than that...

Of course his Horcruxes will help him survive, that's why Harry needs to destroy them before he goes after Voldemort. Once his Horcruxes are gone I bet that he's like any other wizard and can be killed with an unforgiveable curse, though I do hope Harry uses something bigger to kill him, like the locked door in the DoM.

Sorry I haven't posted in here in a while...

This is my take on the prophecy...Voldemort isn't alive right now because, in my opinion, being immortal isn't alive since you technically can't be killed which means he's surviving. Harry is alive..and is the 'live' part in the prophecy (neither can live while the other survives). I think its rather complicated and I can't exactly remember my wording but basicallly a part of my whole theory is here and here.

So, if Harry is alive and Voldemort is surviving, currently, then their roles will have to switched in order for Harry to be able to 'vanquish' the Dark Lord (destroy the Horcruxes). It all involves this idea about Harry having Voldemort's imprint in him, which only ocurred because Voldemort had a phantom death, or a death that didn't really happen but he felt the affects (like how a twin would feel the other's pain). I'll have to review those theories I guess but thats the general idea in my opinion.

Once Voldemorts horcruxes are destroyed, He will be human, well wizard.. Like any other and is fragile now. So easy enough to kill him.

I don't think that Harry will kill Voldemort with a killing curse either... I like the idea of him using the power of love to destroy him. It makes sense to me. I can see happening. As fas as the department of mysteries. I too think that we haven't quite finished with that either. There is something that is still unsolved there. I think that the weapont that they were talking about in the OotP was the phrophecy. Thats what all the guard duty stuff was about. Arthur got hurt gaurding the 'weapon'.... the prophecy...



I think that LV is man up to a certain point. He's sort of a a cursed man. Because remember back in SS/PS when he was drinking the unicorn blood? Firenze said that any man who drank that blood would become cursed and live a half life... or something like that... I think that right now, his horacruxs are helping him to survive but not as much as when he wasn't in human form. He needed them more then. But once Harry destroys them, LV will no longer have any back up plan..lol He has one chance. I really don't think as I said before that Harry will use an unforgivable curse to kill LV. I think that he will use the 'power that the dark lord knows not'... love... that is much bigger than an unforgivable.


Yep, the DoM isn't done with us yet. Still mysteries to be solved... what about the room with the veil? Or the one that they couldn't open that melted the knife? As far as the brains.... I have no idea. lol

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Hello everybody! I think that the only way HP can kill Voldemort is to kill him. There is probably no other way to get rid of him, since he can probably find some way to come back to life.

I also posted to say that I am leaving for camp tommorow, so I can't post untill next saturday. Then next tueday I will leave for vacation to San Fransisco. So don't do anything too important!

Bye!

-Lucky

Thought I'd miss much more, being gone all day. I'm lucky Ok, start from the top..


Definitely something bigger and darker. I believe there was something interesting about them in OotP, but I'm too lazy to check right now. But the whole idea of just brains programmed to attack is a little.. um.. stupid, for the lack of a better word. The DoM wouldn't be keeping them if it was that simple.

About Voldemort "surviving." That was certainly true when he existed in an unhuman state, drinking unicorn blood and living off others as a paracite. Now, however, since he got his body back, I'm not sure the word "surviving" applies any longer.

P.S. Tigzie, I'll definitely read your fic when I have time

I read some of your fanfic Tigzie, its really good. Umm, but what were the brains doing though? Do they just do that like the hand collapsed on Harrys hand in Chamber of Secrets. It did that just because it did?

Hey thanks all for reading my fic it means a lot to me.

I recon that JK is going to use something small that we think is really insignificant as a clue. As i've only read all the books once i'm going to go through them all and look for evidence (I left GoF in my locker, but i have the film...) and if i find anything i'll tell ya'll

Hello Everyone! I guess every 'Dumbledore is alive' theory just jumped out the window I wish that wasn't true!!!

Gosh, me too!! Just as a note, have you been sorted yet? If you haven't, you can find the topic here. Then you can go to your house topic and discuss all different things with your house

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oooh nice fic Tigzie.. I haven't read many of 'em but yours I had to, afterall you we're the first person in this forum to greet me.. and about the fic its cooool :> freshing to look at things from a different point of view.

Aww thanks you! *bows*

So how is everyone today, i thought i'd bump our topic back up

New topic to debate?

Gosh, did we run out of topics already? Ok, then. I don't know if this has been discussed, but..
What do you thinks would have happened if Harry was sorted into Slytherin? Would he and Draco have become friends? Would he still have played Quidditch? Would the events unfold differently? How?

Hey everyone!Hey Tigzie...Im doing okay thank you..And you?

I can't believe there aren't any tpoics to discuss,but I have to admit that that was a really question Bluez...I don't know if harry would be friends with Malfoy,but I don't think they would be enemies either...I also think that he would be one of snapes favourites...maybe Not too sure on that one...

I don't think that his situation that he is in now would be different than what it is...He would still have to try and kill Voldy and he would still be a bit of a skeptical character when it comes to him and the ministry...Thats just what I think...I do think he would play quidditch but not as soon as he did cos he and malfoy wouldn't have fought over a remembral...

Oh well,hope there are other theories...
Luckyfish

Nah luckyfish, I don't think he would be one of Snape's favourites even if he was in Slytherin because of all the issues with Harry's father etc. And I don't think he would have been Malfoy's friend either because they hated each other on the very first train journey, and he met Ron and Hermione too so he would still be friends with them, just in a different house.

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i dont know the rules about pictures and stuff but that made me laugh! lol!! (thats me by the way)

Sorry about the off topic thing too, i just thought i'd share...

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Nothing different I suppose because he still met Ron and Hermione. I dont think Draco and Harry would be friends because when they first met Harry didnt like Draco. Yeah he still would have played quidditch. I dont think the events would unfold differently because its the same situation here, Hes just in a different house.

I don't think he would've stayed friends with Hermione and Ron. They'd be separated and Harry would have gone under the influence of all the mean Slytherin kids. I do wonder if his morals would've kept him from turning into a Malfoy-ish Slytherin boy, though.

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