nice to have you as a fellow Gryffindore, dreamwalker!! I too am a late bloomer with this HP stuff. I got interested when I seen PoA, also. I mean who wouldnt? That movie installment was a gag, and very sad at times too. I mean, what did you think when Buckbeak was sentensed to death? Stupid git, Lucius Malfoy!! sorry, i like harry, absolutely hate DEs and the dark arts. Also, what about that part when harry and the other boys are in the dorm? Funny when neville got the elephant eh? and when ron got the lion, wow that was creative. How did you like the GoF?

I don't think you can separate magical blood into percentages, actually. Lily was 100% magical. James was 100% magical. It's just parentage. You've either got it or you don't; there's no amount of fractions or percentages that limit you; unless you're a Squib. As far as Squibs go, it doesn't say they have to come from pureblood families, just from wizarding families, regardless of blood-type. If you have a magical parent, and you are born without any apparent magical ability-you are a Squib. Does that make any sense? Muggles are only born to Muggles . . . not to those with magical abilities. Lily's parents; both Muggles had a muggle daughter (petunia) and a magical daughter (Lily). Had Harry been born without magical powers, even though his mom is a muggleborn, he would be a Squib; not a Muggle.

Let me try to put in this perspective as far as the "genetics" of it goes: My grandfather had diabetes. His son did not. I do have diabetes. Now, Grandpa was 100% diabetic. My dad was not 50% diabetic, but 0% diabetic. I'm not 25% or 50% diabetic, I'm 100% diabetic. Now, if you're strictly talking about the liklihood of two wizarding parents having a Squib; I don't think you can measure that either, because JKR has written about a few pureblood families (weasleys an blacks) who have given birth to Squibs.

I absolutely loved GOF! I thought that Dan gave his best performance to date when Harry brought Cedric's body back. You could really sense Harry was in shock and the whole graveyard was frightening. I was really impressed with the script on that movie as well as the performances.
Also I think the casting is great in all of them so far, especially Alan Rickman as Snape. I think he makes a great villiain with his voice and that ability to look so haughty. I thought it was wonderful casting and since I saw some films before I read the books he had completely endeared me to his character.

kind of makes sence. but then, in genetics, with say, sickle-celled anemia, there can be carriers, which by definition, is a half SCA. Lets call the lettering, LL, for SCAs, and Ll, for the carrier, and ll will be non carriers, and non SCA. So, a LL gets with a Ll, there is a 50% chance of having a carrier of the disease, and a 50% chance of having, a child that has the disease. this is what i am relating the Squib to in our anology. you see, you have one parent, being pureblood, and lets say that the other is like that of harry. so, the Squib, would be the carrier of magical abilities, but no identifiable magic can be done by a squib. do you get what i am saying now? You see, a pureblood, would be MM, and the squib would be, Mm, get my point? in this sence, if two carriers of the SCA, get together, then there would be a 25% chance for child that has the disease, a 25% chance of a child not having the disease and not being a carrier, and finally, a 50% chance of a child being a carrier. So if we put this into what im saying about squibs, then wed have this. Two squibs get together. that is both parents having the genes of, Mm. There would be a 50% chance of having a squib, 25% chance of having a nonmagical child, and a 25% chance of having a pureblood. Get what I am trying to point out, now? A squib, is like a carrier of the magical gene, but displays no instances of magic, except for the fact that they can see poltergeists and ghosts.
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Yes, dreamwalker, I too thought that all the cast, played to their scripts very well. That part you talking about. Wow, Mr. Diggory was so anguished. Diggory runs to his sons side, and sobs, " My boy, oh, no, My boy! ahhhhhaaahhaaa! My boy!"

Very dramatic that part was, it actually put tears in my eyes, and when cho realized what had happened, that was sad too.

Why hello dreamwalker, and ya i didn't even know that harry potter existed until the 1st movie.



very interesting! i read this thing in school (in genetics class) about muggleborns, and they think that the mugle gene is dominate and the wizarding is recessive. but then that mean that both Hermione''s parents would have to do carrying the wizarding gene.

That is what I was getting to, you see, if a squib is a carrier of the magical gene, then this means that both of hermiones parents came from magical decent, which means they are squibs. having the carried gene of magic, then this makes hermione, a muggleborn, because, her parents, do not practice magic, and cannot practice it, in that sence.

hello! i JUST got sorted. and i think i am most like... Ginny. (does she count as one of the main characters?) i am tomboyish, i love having fun and am VERY sarcastic, (loved it when she told romilda vain that harry and ron had tattoos.)

Good morning all! My twin sister was just sorted into Ravenclaw and I know she'll have as much fun as I am. Really interesting remarks on the genetics of the characters. It makes wish I had paid more attention in Biology class when I was High school.

Thanks to everyone for being so helpful since I started.

I'm still trying to find all of the theories everyone is talking about. Some I find really funny and some really have some credibility. I'm really enjoying it. Once I get more familiar with some and where to respond and post I'd like to do so but for now I'll sit back and read.

Wow, I have been away too long...genetics being discussed in the Gryffindor Common Room. Yes, the Punnett Square could be applied to the topic of the occurrence of witches and wizards being bon from muggle families, but genetics is rarely as simple as the simple 2 X 2 Punnett Square. More often, gene combinations are responsible for the expression of a particular trait. It is not uncommon for the Punnett Square to have 10 genes intermingling in the possibility of the expression of a trait. This would mean there is a possible 100 gene combinations, only one of which could lead to magical abillity. In this sense, up to five or six generations of DNA would be required to produce the correct gene sequences.

Also, there are times when the Punnett Square is entirely useless. I am thinking of co-dominace and incomplete dominance. For example, on a person's blood cells there are usually proteins of type A, B or none at all (type O). If a person with the A protein had a child with the B protein, their child would likely have type AB blood. (I know this is simplified...don't attack me for it.) Anyhow, how would magical ability be displayed in this sense? Would the child be a Neville character (who can do magic but not particularly well)?


In short, genetics is far more complicated than most people realize. I would guess that there is not a single gene that determines whether or not a person can do magic. If it required multiple genes, it would explain why squibs and muggle borns are relatively rare. Also, it would explain why squibs have some magical tendencies (being able to see dementors, the Knight Bus, etc.) that muggles do not.

it's just like Parvati and Padma Patil! anyway it's very cool to have you as a fellow Gryffindor.



yes i took a class on genetics and it isn't always as simple as Punnett Sqaures and all. there is also a theory that to be a wizard it isn't a gene really, about if your DNA is lined up in a certain way. however, that wouldn't explain how being a wizard runs in a family, if you know what i'm talking about

This was kind of my point. I think that we can't really assign natural order to the way a wizard comes into being. I don't think we can figure out who is likely or unlikely to have magical children, because I think we are limited in our understanding. I don't think we can assign genetics to "wizard" because I'm not sure if it really has to do with that.

Yes, but Jo, has included the word "Blood" to associate with muggles, purebloods, squibs, etc. We all know that like with a heritage, "Blood" really means, Genes/Chromosomes. Certain people that their gene pools were separated by, natural occurance, like lets say, when asia separated from north america. there used to be a physical and natrural, "Bridge", that people could cross. now, as we know, a great and frigid sea separates north america from asia. this sea's name is, The Great Bering Sea. It lays between Alaska and Asia. Maybe this is what happened to the magical world too. the purebloods separated themselves from muggles, and then married and had children with only other purebloods. they wouldnt do this with a halfblood, or muggleborn, or even a squib. look at the animosity that Marvolo displays to Merope. He calls her a dirty squib, like 3 or 4 times in that one pensive memory.

on a different note, i have something entirely different to discuss, than genetics and wizard or witch background. Okay, does anyone think that Flammel was in the order, and also what house do any of you think Flammel was in?

I promise to let you move on, but I want to comment first. I think she mentions the pureblood, halfblood deliniation to show the different pride they have in heritage. Heritage and geneitcs, though they definately stem from eachother, are kind of sepearte entities on certain levels. I think that genetics and HP have a place in determined the blood status of a person; but I don't think that genetics really play a factor in who is born magical and who is not.

On your next question: I don't think Flamel was in the Order. Other than gut, I can't prove it. Though, you'd think if he had been in that picture of the original order, Moody would have pointed it out to Harry. I think that Flamel was too busy trying to live a quiet life of eternity, away from public scrutiny and people who constantly wanted a bit of his elixer of life.

yes, i quite agree with you passerby on both points. But, what about the house he was in, you didnt answer that question.

First of all, HAPPY BIRTHDAY to lozza-cm!!! I hope that this year will bring you happiness and fulfil all of your goals and wishes! I know this is a little off-topic and out-of-date but i just read her post!
Anyway, answering the new question (i'm so glad you stop discussing the whole heir topic! ), i don't think either that Flamel was on the Order. He was busier with his experiments and his alchimy and all this and he probably did not care much about Voldemort. Maybe he thought it was something of... well... not great importance. If he was a student of Hogwarts (he was around 660 years old and Hogwarts was founded 500 years ago i think ) he would probably be in Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw. He was not very extroverted i think and so, these houses may have been more suitable for his character.

I agree that he probably wasn't in the Order. I am sure that Harry would have found out about if he was because people like Moody did seem pretty content on showing him pictures. Plus, Harry would have recognized him. Being that old he probably lived his life in relaxation, what state do you guys think that he was in? I mean, being that old how much do you think that he was capable of doing? I guess that DD is old too, but he was starting to weaken down a little bit so I don't know he would be able to handle being in the Order, it definitley takes a lot out of people.

As for the house, I would say probably Slytherin or Ravenclaw. I know that he was a good person, but the wanting to be immortal like Voldemort reminds me of Slytherin. Then he has to be pretty intelligent, I don't know why, he just seems like that to me so that is why I would say Ravenclaw.

Happy Birthday lozza-cm!!!!!!!!

I never really considered Flamel's house. We don't know that he ever attended Hogwarts. Supposing that he did, I think of him as a Ravenclaw. He was brilliant to create the stone.

I do not think that he was in the Order. After 640 years, a man deserves a quiet life away from a war. He may have been too old and feeble to do much anyway. I suppose we may only speculate.

I must admit with the genetics being discussed I almost feel like i'm in the Ravenclaw common room. Nice to know we aren't all brawn and no brain. I know, "profilin's wrong".
Anyway I've been going back to reread several posts on this thread begining with Prof. McGonagall's age. I have a question about Dumbledore's.

He worked on the Elixer of Life and the stone with his partner Nicolas Flamel. Nicolas Flamel died at 666 years of age roughly and I'm basing that on the fact that in book one he was 665 and Dumbledore told Harry he had enough Elixer to last a year, long enough to put his affairs in order. Dumbledore is approximately 150. How old was Flamel before they got together to produce the Elixer? When Dumbledore was born Flamel had to be at least about 500 give or take. Was he already taking an elixer? Is Flamel human? How long do wizards live anyway? Help me out...

well, dreamwalker, i have heard that dd is 157 years old, when he died. if we go from this, well, we also have to consider the part on that card that says he defeated Grindelwald. if we take, 1997-1945, we get, 52 years old, then this means dd was 52 when he defeated him. him and flamel had to of made the stone around that time. so, dd must have been 52 years old.

ok i have to stop going away from the common room for more then a day..i go away and come back and we are talking close to rocket science...but anyhoo i was just reading all the posts so i was upto date on everything and i read that nickolas was 660 that means he was alive when nearly headless nick died, maybe they knew each other. also what i dont get is if flamel and dd made the stone when dd was 52 how did flamel live the other 600 years before the stone was made?

and thank you for the birthday wishes...one of the best things that happend for my birthday believe it or not.

I wasn't aware that the text said that Dumbledore helped in the invention of the stone. . .only that Dumbledore was once a partner of Flamel's. It was my understanding that Flamel invented the stone (a long time) prior to Dumbledore's partnership. I believe they just worked on alchemy together.

Here's what the Lexicon had to say, since I'm too lazy to get my book out:


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I had some spare time. This is what Dumbledore's chocolate frog card says: (American)

Considered by many to be the greatest wizard of modern times, Dumbledore is particularly famous for his defeat of the dark wizard Grindelwald in 1945, for the discovery of the twelve uses of dragon's blood, and his work on alchemy with his partner, Nicholas Flamel. Professor Dumbledore enjoys chamber music and tenpin bowling.

To me this implies that Flamel created the stone and the Elixer of Life himself, but that Dumbledore helped him learn that the stone also possesed powerful properties concerning alchemy.

It makes sence, that Flammel made the stone well before DD was even born. I mean, he is 600 and something, so, he had to of made the stone before he has friends with DD. Now, Burial just made me think of another question. What are the 12 uses of Dragon Blood? Does it have something to do with Immortality, or even strength, in the light of a dragons, magically imbued skin? If so, then could this be a key for harry to defeat LV, and to block LVs AK curse, in the final battle?

I think that Dumbledore and Flamel worked on things that didn't relate to the stone at all. Alchemy is not only concerned with the philosopher's stone, though that is the greatest of its studies, if I'm not mistaken. But Alchemy deals with many different things involving the combination of the elements of chemistry, metallurgy, physics, medicine, astrology, semiotics, mysticism, spiritualism, and art. Mostly it dealt with wanting to turn lead into gold.

The 12 uses of dragon's blood would be interesting. JKR said in an interview somewhere that the 12th use was as oven cleaner! I don't think we've got anything else than that to go on.

Thanks guys, that really confused me but it's all so clear now and i feel kind of silly for asking:P but i do have another topic i want all your opinions on..for many reasons but i cant say or it will rewin the plot to my fanfic (not saying anymore or i may as well tell you the ending) but it does have alot to do with Gryffindor....Do you think it it is likely that two of the hogwarts founders got together say Gryffindor and ravenclaw or any of them actually? and if so wouldn't be possable that one person can be heir to both gryffindor and ravenclaw or griffindor and hufflepuff...i don't know if that makes sence.

Interesting topic, lozza-cm!! I think that at least 2 of the founders, one male, one female, got together, er, shall i say intimately? If so, I deffinately think it was Gryffindore, and Hufflepuff. A few of the main characters display both of their traits. You see, at the end of HBP, when harry and ginny break off the relationship between them, ginny says that harry is doing it as the noble thing to do. Nobility is a trait of Hufflepuff's. We also know harry to be quite brave, and daring, much like gryffindore. Both of these founders have the trait of being Loyal to one's friends. This is especially a strong part of harry. look at his utmost loyalty to DD, and to all whom he is close to. I think that Ravenclaw and Slytherin may of gotten together also. See, Cunning, and Intellingence, kind of co-exists. This is what I see in Hermione above all. She is both, Cunning and Intelligent. Feedback please!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

OOh, interesting topic!! I haven't been posting in a while because I kind of got lost in the discussion, but I do have opinions about this.
I always thought that Gryffindor and Ravenclaw should've been together... but that might just be because of other relationshipd seen in the books. But their traits seem to intertwine sometimes. As for Slytherin, I don't think he had any intimate relationships with another founder... he seems the kind to stay kind of distant from the others.

Very interesting topic. It stands to reason that Ravenclaw and Slytherin may have gotten together. typically, I've noticed that the smartest can sometimes make mistakes of the heart because you can't intellectualize your feelings. Sometimes you can be attracted to someone you know will be difficult because you are attracted to the challenge. Sometimes it works sometimes not.

My husband, docholiday, is being sorted into his house, by the way. I knew I could talk him into joining Veritaserum. Yes, bonding over Harry Potter makes a good marriage.

Thanks for all the chat on Dumbledore and Flamel. It really did clear up a lot of things for me? One last question of clarification: Dumbledore assisted Flamel on alchemy. Did he in fact help with the elixer or was Flamel already taking it. I'm guessing he was already taking it. Any way the ages weren't adding up for me but now they're starting to. Thanks again.

Flamel had to have already been taking the elixir, as old as he was. . .so he invented the Stone, could make the elixir and took it prior to Dumbledore even being born. Wouldn't have worked otherwise.

Passerby, we dont know if Flammel did another way of imortallity. what if he did, before making the stone? What if he thought that his experiments with the stone would not work? Then he would most likely of, found a different way of imortallity. We know of 3 ways, but 2 i dont think flammel would try. The unicorn blood, that is a henous way to gain immortality. Horcruxes, that is an evil way to gain immortality as well. Maybe there are more ways than these 3, this is what I think. See in the HP world, Jo, hasnt ever really touched on magical rituals, besides the one that LV did to gain back his body in GoF. Maybe there is a way to gain it, in a ritual like this, but maybe it is a less Dark way of doing so. Feedback Please!!

~~Prince~~

I suppose that it is possible, but I don't think they did. Somehow, two founders having children together would have been brought up at some point. I expect Hermione would have read about it in Hogwarts, A History.

Prince, intelleigence and cunning often are paired together, but remember that above all, Slytherin is characterized by great ambition. Would you dare say Crabbe and Goyle are cunning?

If we start making matchups, I think we can quickly rule out a few. Slytherin would not be paired with either Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff because Voldemort would be the heir. He has enough distinction. If two of the founders had children together, I think it would need to be Gryffindor and someone else.

Concerning Flamel, he could have used another way of attaing immortality. It would make sense that he did. If no one else has ever made a stone, it must be difficult to make. Maybe the discovery would necessarily take a very long time. Having immortality is a great advantage then.

What are the 12 uses of dragon blood? Well, oven cleaner apparently. There must be healing powers as well. Remember that Hagrid used dragon-meat on his Grawp-inflicted wounds.

Crickey!! That completely slipped me, mind, Burial. Yes, It mus have healing powers as well, dragon blood I mean. Also, with your crabbe and goyle comment, well, we know that some of the stundents are sorting into the houses, and dont make their houses traits apperent. Take Wormtail for instance, when has he ever been brave or daring? also, with Luna, she seems really dreamy, not intelligent like that of a Ravenclaw, does she? so, maybe this is the case with crabbe and goyle, we wont know their true cunning, till the last book. see, malfoy is now gone, so now they have to plan things for themselves, instead of with the help of malfoy. Feedback Please!!

P.S. "Feedback Please", is my trademark for all my insightful theories.

~~Prince~~

"You don't know how strange it is to see Goyle thinking." ~Ron

Crabbe and Goyle are cronies. I can not think of either as being intelligent or cunning in any way. Luna is intelligent, in her own way. Her wit is sharp, it just cuts in a different kind of bread.

Now Wormtail...I think his bravery is forthcoming. I don't know if you have ever read Tolkien, but one point that was made is that a seed of bravery is buried within every hobbit. Often very deep, but still there. I think this is the case in Wormtail. At some point his deep seeded bravery will kick in and he will save Harry in book 7.

very interesting insight, Burial. But, doesnt your comment seal my theory? You see, if Wormtail's bravery is yet to come, then could this be true of Crabbe and Goyle's Cunning. I agree that they are not intelligent, but, I was not saying that they could display energies that show them to be somewhat intelligent, I was speaking of an upcoming display f energies that show their cunning. Feedback Please!!

~~Prince~~

I don't think that exactly seals the deal on your theory prince_halfblood_22. Nobility (I think that word fits better then bravery) and cunning are two entirely different concepts, anyone can decide to become noble again but not everyone can randomly out of the blue become smart/cunning. I am not sure how to say this exactly but I hope that you get my point! I'll try to clear it up though. Ok, so, I don't think that if Wormtail does something like sacrificing himself for Harry will be as brave as it will be noble, though they kind of go hand in hand. For example, if someone's house was burning down and someone was stuck inside so I decided that I was going to run in and save them then that would be being brave/noble, even if I had never done anything like that in my entire life. You could say that the bravery was hidden all along, I just needed the right push or moment to show it. Cunning on the other hand is a lot different. I don't think that with all the emphasis Jo has put on the intellectual deficiency of Crabbe and Goyle she is going to come out and make them to be amazingly cunning. It would take time to learn to become, not like bravery. I don't think that helped clear it up much, but I hope that you at least understand the basis of what I am saying.

Thanks HP, that was what I was trying to say. I particularly like the point that JK has spent six years displaying how, well, stupid Crabbe and Goyle are. A person who flunks the DADA OWL (when they are surrounded by dark magic...Death Eater fathers) is probably lacking in intelligence.

As a quick note, I looked up the definitions of brave and noble. The distinction is noticed was that brave is displaying courage, whereas noble is displaying moral character. Find what difference you may.

You two are still not getting my point. Okay, i said that crabbe and goyle could get a strike of Cunning, not forever be cunning. See, Wormtail may get a "Strike" of Bravery/Nobility. This is what I think that the sorting hat had seen in them. It is not entirely ambition that would put you into slytherin, it is also, cunning. you need both, if you are to be in that house. Same thing with bravery and daring. Also, with nobility, and hardworking. Finally same is true for, Intelligence and Wit. You have to have both of the traits, meaning 2 or more, to become a student in a certain house. For example, Wormtail is believed to be going to display bravery and daring in the last book, in order to uphold his magical debt to harry. So, It is possible, that Crabbe and Goyle was placed in Slytherin, not only because of their ambition, but also for their Cunning. Get what I am trying to point out now, you two? Feedback Please!!

P.S. Please, just call me Prince, not my username!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

Hmm.. I'm going to agree with Prince on this one. People can sometimes have moments when their brave or their smart side show, but it doesn't last them very long. Therefore, their reason for having been sorted into that house might show for a little while.
But I do think that Luna is cunning... she's just... different.

OK, now I see what you are saying. I could imagine them having one glorious unsuspected moment of cunning. Given their previous history, I think it more likely that they would still take orders from Malfoy, even though he would not be at Hogwarts. Then it could appear like their cunning, but not really be it. I think they could possible pull off a cunning plan, but not create one of their own.

I do understand what you are saying with your theory, though. I admit I have no arguement against it. I still wonder how much of Crabbe and Goyle we will see however. I would not be surprised if they dropped out.

Now i have to contradict you and myself on this comment, Burial. you see, i too believe that crabbe and goyle will be dropped from the last novel. On the other hand, I dont see why Jo would do this, she would be getting rid of one of the last of her original main characters, and I just dont see her doing that.

Also, MBIBTY, I think that Luna is Intelligent in her own little way also. See, how could she possiblely know what is behind that locked door, in the MoM, or the Veil, in the Death Chamber? She definately knows something we dont, I have to say that much. Also, what if some of Lunas codswallop was true? Like for instance, what if Fudge really did what control of Gringotts, and what if these, er, Heliopaths, DO exist?

Thanks,

~~~Prince~~~

I am secretly hoping that Luna will be right one of these days. It is such a redeeming quality about her that she is open to any idea. I fully expect her to say something like, "Of course You Know Who had six horcruxes. On of them is hidden inside my left shoe which fell off in the Room of Requirement. Shall I go get it for you?"

Gottcha Prince! I guess I could see them having their one cunning moment, but I really don't think that they will be in the last book. They aren't main characters, they were nothing more then Malfoy's goonies so I don't think know what they would do without him, but I guess if they were to do something they could have their moment.

Ohhhh, I really hope that Luna is right one of these days too! That would be absolutely hilarious, I love that girl! I agree that she is pretty intelligent too, just in her own way.

Assuming Luna will be right eventually, what do you think she would be correct about? Could she have a wild theory about the Voldemort or something about Scrimegour? I think a wild theory about Scrimegour's reign as minster could pan out. He is very paranoid at times.

Hm, i think that would be a bit, shall I say, Hilarious, if she is right about Srimmgoer. I was thinking more along the lines, of what she has said, in the OotP. She comes up with some very mysterious things in there. Like that bit with the door, and the bit with the Heliopaths, I dont think Fudge has bred them, but I do think they exist in the HP world. They would be great allies, for the order to use. See, the Dark Order gets a very Dark Creature <Dementors>, so, why shouldnt the Order of the Pheonix get something, that concerns an elemental. Like the Heliopath, it is a Fire spirit by definition. Feedback Please!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

They could exist. Who knows? If she is going to be right about anything, I hope it is about the veil. Even now the veil is shrouded in mystery. I would love for Sirius to come back (though I doubt he will). If Luna is right about the veil, it would give a way for Sirius to return. Here is to Luna!

i think luna will be right about the veil, she is bound to be right about something, why not make it something that will make harry happy? everything has been taken from him and he is bound to loose more in the last book..i just hope that luna is right about the veil and not something like invisable carrots taking over the world or something.

yes, lozza-cm, I too wouldn't want Jo to put some stupid thing that Luna is right about, that would be a waiste of book space, and the poor delapitated trees. Also, I would like for the Heliopath, theory to be true. Of course I want the Veil idea to be true, but I really think that Jo wont make sirius come back, even if she puts that Luna was right about the veil. What I think, is once you are trapped by the veil, you are trapped for good. There could be one thing that can get a person out of the veil though, and that is that locked door in the DoM. Why do I think this, you say. Hm, well, I think it odd for Luna to know what is behind the door, and what the deal is with the veil, especially since I think that they encounter the door, right before they go into the Death Chamber. I have another question relating to the circular room with all the doors. see, when you shut a door, the room started to revolve, they say that it was to make any adventurers lose their way. See, what I noticed, what when they went to a room then back to the circular room Jo says that an image with in the room they just visited was in harrys mind and wouldnt leave. I'll quote two of these circumstances:

" How're we going to get back out?" said Neville, uncomfortablely.

"Well that doesn't matter now," said Harry forcefully, blinking to try and erase the blue lines from his vision,

So they hurried back into the dark, circular room; the ghostly shapes of the brains were now swimming before harry's eyes instead of the blue candle flames.

Okay, Feedback Please!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

prince_halfblood_22, I Think you are 100 percent right about that..BUT..It's got nothing to do with Luna..We all ready know what is behind the door dumbledore told us it's...LOVE!...so thats why i think your right, the only this powerful enough to bring people back from behind the veil is LOVE, which coinsedently is Harry's strongest power!

Yea, your right there, lozza. See, I forgot that Dumbledore did say that Love was behind the door. We know from lupin, that Dumbledore's shrewd ideas, are normally facts. They end up turning out to be true. Lupin says this in OotP, when him, Mr. Weasley, Tonks, Bill, and Sirius, were telling Harry about the Order, and what they did, and so forth. What if, this time, Dumbledore, was, persay, wrong? I surely hope not. Now, I haven't gotten any replies about my last question in my last post. I really would like some insight on that. Okay, you know what time it is? Feedback Time!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

im hoping for a loopy luna brainwave on how to destroy voldemort like squashed brusselsprouts in a vile of bubotuber pus or something hehe