That was hillarious, Aussie! But, no, I still wouldn't want it to be something like that, if we could choose only one, I would have to choose, the veil, or the Heliopaths. Still, no comments on my question, two of my posts, from this one. Please, give some insight on it. I am really raring to debate it you know. Okay, Feedback Time!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

i just had a thought dunno if its in the right thread but we know how lv has werewolves i just realised slughorns mate was friends with the vampires so luna could make that statement infront of everyone and they would be like whoa good thinkin luna send some owls to that writer at slughorns party and away we go woohoo u go luna

Prince, I do not recall the scene in the department of mysteries well enough to start a possible debate with you right now. I promise I will read it sometime today and get back to you on that. You may have found a new forum topic.

hm, i doubt it, Burial. It isnt all that extensive of a theory, is it?
I dont think that it is broad enough to be a topic. maybe im wrong though. If it is, then I want to be the one to make the topic, but ill have to know what forum to put it in. Can a mod help me out a little here? I need to know about this topic, if it is broad enough or not, and if I could actually have approval to do so, and what Forum Group would it go in? It would be interesting to see what other people make of these small but essential details.

In the US version, the first quote, is near the middle of page 771, and the second one, is near the bottom of page 772. That should help you find it better, Burial.

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

I've just found out that my dear husband, docholiday, has been sorted into gryffindor. I can't wait to tell him. As a former firefighter and professional bull rider I can't think of a better place for him. I don't know if he'll have much oppurtunity to post but I think you guys will like him.

I once went to school with the most intelligent girl. She was my best friend and with all of her latin and advanced calculus in high school she had the common sense of a rock. The littlest things would go right over her head so I may be inclined to disagree about Luna. I think she is spacey but that doesn't mean she isn't intelligent. Even Harry noticed that she had an uncanny way of seeing straight to the heart of the matter.

Yes, this is what I was trying to point out when I was discussing the one time, Cunningness<not sure if that is a word, but oh well, you get my point anyway>, of Crabbe and Goyle, now that Malfoy is gone from the scene of Hogwarts. Of course, they still could be in contact with Malfoy also. We all have to remember that most or all of the Slytherin's parents, are DEs. Now, about this thing I am wanting to find out about the DoM, it seems that no one is willing to help me out here. Would a Prefect, Mod, or Admin, help me please? This is very important to theorisize about, and yet, no one has pointed it out, besides me, maybe ill go to Albus Dumbledore. He is always a good help in these types of cases.

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

I'll talk about it with you Prince. Is the theory you want feedback on the one about the door being the way out of the veil? I don't think that is right for one because of Luna. She and Harry heard the voices of people from beyond the veil, so, don't you think that if they could get out through the door then they would hear voices around the locked door? I would assume that the wizards trapped inside would want to get out so they would be waiting by the exit, unless of course they didn't know what it was. Then of course it brings about the question why the people in the DoM would want to keep them locked in there. I am still 100% sure that the room will be significant, especially because of what DD said about it containing love, I just don't think it would let the people from the veil out. It could contain a way to contact the trapped wizards though. About your second question, I don't know what you were asking so if you could clear that up for me I'd be honored to talk about that with you too. Then there is the DoM place that you could talk about stuff like that there too if you want more then me to comment. So, yeah, I guess that's about it! Hope that is what you wanted feedback on!

about the door, RULES, they would not nessicarily of heard voices around the door. the door could have simplely had an impervious charm on it. incidentally, this could have also been what melted the knife. see in the begining of the book, we learn that that charm, prevents anything from entering the door. Like, sound waves, solid objects, and so forth. See, harry was able to slip it in the cracks, because, the knife was metal. so then the knife was being forced to do something it shouldnt be able to do, therefore, the doors charm, made the knife melt. see what i am saying here? Feedback Please!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

prince, I see What you mean, but i dont think it was an impervious Charm on the door we learn in Grimrald place that if there is an impervious charm on a door you can't fit things under the cracks (extendable ears) so why would the side of the door be any different? also when ginnny flicked things at the door with the impervious charm on it back in grimrald place they flew away from the door meanin g nothing can make contact with it. but yet the one in the DoM harru's knife makes contact.

Why would they put the charm on the door but not the veil? If they knew that wizards had been trapped behind the veil and they could get out of the door then why wouldn't they save them all? I am sure that someone can open that door considering the fact that the DoM was created by wizards, someone had to have made the veil and the door. I don't understand why they would put the impervious charm on one but not the other if they understood that they were somehow intertwined. Did they invent the veil there? I always thought that maybe it was something that they found and brought in, in which case they couldn't be connected because they couldn't have found a room, they would have had to make that. Ok, well, now I am confusing myself! On one hand I think that they can't be connected, but Jo did put them both in the story and I think that they are both important so it would be easier to encorporate into the story if they were connected. I will have to think about this and get back to you! Oh wait, one more thought, if Sirius's knife was as powerful as I imagined then I don't think an impervious charm would melt it. At the most the door just wouldn't open, I really don't think that spell is that powerful. I always thought it was more the love inside the room that melted the knife.

Edit: Oh, and there is always what lozza-cm said about the knife not being able to make contact with the door!

lozza, the extendables, were not, solid. They were made of some type of string if i remember right. The knife was rigid, the extendables, were flimsey, i am not mistaken. So, could the knife be an exception? Also, harry had the knife in his hands, jabbing it into the cracks of the door. With the dungbombs, Ginny was just throwing them, so, wasnt realy putting her full bodily force behind them. there, hope that clears things up a bit. I have a comment for what could be behind that door, what if it isnt love. what if the veil traps people in a room behind it, and if the right person comes along, and unlocks the locked door, they will find all the people that LV has killed, or has been killed in his causes. See, DD himself, says in HBP, that a tyrrants worse fear, are those he/she oppresses. this is because, if one of the oppressed, rises against the tyrannt, and many ally with the rebel, then the tyrannt would be in mortal danger. This may be the weapon to defeat LV, and it may be behind that door! Feedback Please!!

Also, the question i wanted answered, was not about the door, RULES. It was about this:

I have another question relating to the circular room with all the doors. see, when you shut a door, the room started to revolve, they say that it was to make any adventurers lose their way. See, what I noticed, what when they went to a room then back to the circular room Jo says that an image with in the room they just visited was in harrys mind and wouldnt leave. I'll quote two of these circumstances:

" How're we going to get back out?" said Neville, uncomfortablely.

"Well that doesn't matter now," said Harry forcefully, blinking to try and erase the blue lines from his vision,

So they hurried back into the dark, circular room; the ghostly shapes of the brains were now swimming before harry's eyes instead of the blue candle flames.<This quote, is found in the OotP, US version, page 771-772.>

I Dont think the logic science applys to the knife i mean it being solid, i mean the charm says NOTHING can penitrate it not NOTHING CAN PENITRATE IT, Except solid metal objects but i see what you mean. but about the question you want answerd i know what your talking about but i dont understand what the question is do you want to know if harry had a connection to those places because they stayed in his memory?

I just wanted to know if this is significant, and if it is, what theories, may be spawnned from it? I mean, that is a bit weird, isnt it, harry having the brains swimming in front of his eyes, when going back to the circular room, and the blue fire being burnt into his vision. Also, what would he of seen if he went right from the veil room, to the circle room, Jo dont say. what whould he of seen if he would have went from the timeturner room to the circular room, and what would he of saw, if he would have went from the astronomy room to the dark circular room? would any of these be significant, what theories would spawn from them?

I don't think there is anything significant about things being burned into harry vision, i think it was just the contrast between the bright colours and the dark circular room and it was just another one of JKR's beautiful discriptive writting...BUT...i being and open minded Harry potter theoriest could be persuaded into prince's way of thinking if more evidence is provided!!!

Okay, ill add more. Okay, if he came back to the dark circular room from the Death room, then would harry hear voices more clearly. it seems that because of the brilliance of each room, and then, the dullness<darkness/quietness> of the circular room, makes things seen, heard, or even felt, more clearly or sensitively. Maybe that is the function of the circular room, a room for clairvoyance. Each of the main rooms could stimulate the sences of the mind body, and heart. Then, the circular room could act as a place that is for meditation of the rooms that were just visited, before going back to the dark circular room.Feedback Please!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

Hmm... I don't know if it'd be significant, but it's be interesting to hear about all those visions or things he'd seen. If JKR hadn't said it at the time, it probably hasn't come across as revelant yet, but she might go more into detail about the rooms in the seventh book.
What I always wondered about the circular room was... why didn't they just leave the door open and go to the next one? Could you only have one open at a time??

I think the doors closed by them selves..and also i think we might be told to move off this topic soon as it probably should be disscussed in the DOM thread so this is that last thing i am going to say...i think Prince may have a point about the circular room but i am reserving judgment on it untill the last book, but at the moment i think the whole place is just overly magical and that room being at the centure of it all it would be at the centure of all the magic making it more reactive to the sences.

we should repost all the DoM stuff in the DoM thread then. I want alot of input on the theories discussed, with this room thing. Is there a way to move the posts in general. Can they be reviewed my a mod, and then in turn, be moved to an appropiate thread, much like that when a topic is moved to an appropiate Forum?

Hmm... yeah, maybe they do close by themselves... I just don't remember reading it anywhere.
Aaah, someone's probably going to post before me... but I have a question conerning more closely the *Gryffindor* house... it's not really important, but..
Does anyone know if Mr and Mrs Weasley were in Gryffindor? Also... do you think that when the Weasley kids are older and have kids... will they be in the same house?

I dont no i will run off and find a mod to pm and ask because i want to continue this as well or i can also ask if we cant move it can we continue to disscuss it here untill we are out off idea...NONONO someone can make a post of all thats has been said all ready in it as a quote and post it in there...i will do that now coz i want to here more..MORE!!! *ok calms one self down* as too the mr and mrs weasly question i think mrs weasly tells us they are both in gryffindor in the GOF but i could be wrong but i kow she was in gryffindor because she mentions the fat lady but again i could be wrong!...

i will put that post in the DOM thread now!!!

Here is the link for anyone who wants to tak about this more!!!

I think that the whole Weasley family was in Gryffindore, and yes, all the children, grandchildren, greatgrandchildren, and on and on, will be in Gryffindore as well. Also, I think that most or all of Molly Weasley's family were in Gryffindore, too. I may be wrong though, since, after all, eiher, Arthur, or Molly, one of the two, are a decendent of the Blacks. Maybe not by the Black Tapestry, but by blood. You see, in order to be pureblood, you have to intertwine with cousins and even 3rd nephews/neices. This ensures the Purebloods will stay at plentiful numbers. As we know though, more and more Purebloods are marrying halfbloods, Squibs, Muggleborns, and/or Muggles. This is making the number of true pureblooded families, diminish. So, it is possible that one of the Weasley parents, are truely Blacks. If that is true, then there were most likely some slytherins in the Weasley family. FeedBack Please!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

I dont think molly's parents are blacks because sirius said that molly was is cousin twice removed on him mothers side and his mother wasn't a black..i think that is right once again i am doing this from memory. and aurther i guess it is possable because sirius says that he is his second cousin and i doubt that mollly and aurther would have married if they were both on the same side of the black tree thay would be to closely related. so maybe aurther's mother was a black it couldn't be his father because his last name would then be black not weasly!!!

Wait, i didnt say all this. You see, i think that Arthurs dad, could have been named, Weasley. See, what about the Lestranges. Not, Bella, im talking about, Rudolphus and his brother?

Prince, I didn't meaning the general forums. I meant for the common room. I spent a moment to re-read the pages you mentioned. I think the blurred images are a part of the magic of the room. The room spun to keep anyone from knowing which door they came in from. With the images blurred from the previous room, it becomes more difficult to recall where you are. Not only is the room spinning, you also see the same blurred image everywhere you look.

Burial, I am going to post my reply to your post, in the DoM thread. I am afraid that a mod will shut down this disscussion soon, if it isnt relocated. So, if you would like to see my reply to your last post, then, please, go to that thread, not this one. Meanwhile, maybe we should have a fresh topic for this Common Room thread.

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

i have a topic that i have been meaning to get started so i can ask you all what you think...if harry, ron and hermione became animagus's what animal do you think they would turn into ? and why?

Harry would become either a stag, like his father, because, he favors his father, in identity i mean. He has the same unkempt hair, same quidditch ablilities, same DADA facination, both need glasses, for eyesight, and there are many more, but this thread is simply not long enough for me to list all of them, or he would become a pheonix, Pheonixes, seem to have a sort of loyal nature about them, and Harry most certainly is most loyal to DD, the master of the Pheonix.

Ron would become, a lion. He is very Gryffindore-like, he loves a nice prowl in his castle<Hogwarts>.

Hermione, oddly enough, i think would become a eagle owl, she displays to me to be very intelligent, and very observant.

That is so scary i thought exactly the smae thing for ron and hermione..EXACTLY! but i didn't know what harry's would be, but the stag makes complete sence..do you think it could be likely that harry's animagus would be a dog like sirius, i mean his patronus is all ready a stag and i don't know if your animagus and patronus can be the same..so maybe his animagus would represet his other fater figure....sirius

Oh, I didnt even think of Padfoot, poor forgotten Padfoot. I'm sorry Sirius! You must forgive my absentmindedness!! Ok, back to earth now, Hehe. Well, anyway, i dont think so, lozza. See what I think is that what ever a wizard or witches animagus is, is also their patronus. Harry, does a stag, so hed be a stag animagus. Harry's patronus may change in his last year though. I think itll change to a pheonix. something to honor fawkes and DD by, I would say. Of course, he would be hurt that his last fatherlike figure, has been taken from him, and so, he changes the patronus to the pheonix. Hermione, i fear we both got wrong originally, as Jo, said that Hermione's patronus is an otter, so, her animagus would therefore be an otter. Otters are very intelligent by the way, and playful too. I find myself going to the riverbanks near where I live,<I live in Illinios, and my town is right on the banks of the Illinois River> just to sit and watch the river otters play with mussels they dig up from the riverbottoms and play with each other, I find myself chuckling at their amazing humor and intelligence. Ron, hold on, ill look up his patronus real quick. All this is in the OotP US version, by the way. Ah, nevermind about Ron, we are free to imagine Ron's patronus, as what ever we like, and I still stick with my answer of a Lion for his animagus. Of course, if i stayed true the anology, that one's patronus, would take the same for as one's animagus, then Ron, would have a lion patronus as well. That would be nice, a lion patronus and animagus. everyone would be afraid to come around you as your animagus, therefore, you would have no risks of them doing the anti-animagus spell on you. Also, if this is true, then Rita Skeeter has an utterly weak patronus, as her animagus, is a beetle, haha, serves her right, for all those terrible things she wrote about harry, hermione, Krum, Hagrid, and Dumbledore!!

It's a good theory prince and a nice one...BUT..i dont think it is right, tonk's Patronus changed after sirius dies into lupins warewolf state and it your patronus can change then that would mean your animagus would have to change with it...and if that were so then there would be no point in regestering as a animagus and giving your markings so you can be recognised because you can change..there fore defeating the perpous of registering.

Yes, but wouldnt this just go to prove how stupid the Ministry really is? Also, I wonder if a person can learn to be an animagi, like plural. A person learns to transform into more than one animal/creature. This would be an interesting view wouldnt it? This would prove usful. You could change into something small, if it is required, or something big and strong, like a Bear or Lion, if that is needed at a different situation. Feedback Please!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

If a person could become more than one animal I think Tonks would be the one to try it. I like the symmetry of the Lion and Owl idea for Ron and Hermione it would give multiple strengths to their ability to search find and hide if they needed to. The lion's size and strength would be able to hold against most larger animals and the owl could see things the lion couldn't and would help keep her out of the way and combined with really any of the ideas for Harry's it would and a second strong power to the group. I don't think Harry would go for either a stag or dog as he adores both but doesn't want to BE either of them. Especially now as he has grown past the hero worship of his life. He sees both of their faults and wants to grown past this image everyone who knew them has of him. However I really don't have any better ideas for it either I don't think a bear of any kind would fit him, but it would work better for Hagrid. Krum if he kept it up is porbably a shark but could have gone with anything since he already knows he can at least start the process.

And the whole patronus and animagus form idea would help if we knew what MM's patronus took form as. Do we really know what forms most of the adults take? I know we know the DA's forms but I think we really only know Tonk's wolf.

But Prince I agree that it would be useful to change into multiple animals. But if it was easy you would think someone else would have tried it and that Hermione would have told them all about it when she was fighting Rita Skeeter.

It's an interesting theory, but I doubt it's true. I think that JK made it clear you can only become one animal, but you could transform yourself teporallly into something, like a shark, like Krum did.

I like my idea of a witch or wizard, transforming, into, several animals/creatures. See, this would help the trio, in their horcrux journey. What if harry could become a gorilla for a short time, just enough time, to destroy a certain horcrux? What if the horcrux, wouldnt be able to curse him, while he tried to destroy it? I doubt harry would become an animagus, that is a gorilla, i was only trying to put something, that has actual hands and arms, so they can actually hold a wand. it seems that the brain is not effected when a person transforms into the animagus form. Sirius, seems to have his normal wizard's intellect, even when hes a dog. If he didnt, then how would he remember, what happens when hes in dog form, once he has changed back into human form? Anyway, I think it would be better off for the trio to become more than one, animagus's animal/creature. This would help keep DEs off their tail, while they are seaching and destroying. Also, it would be harder for the Ministry to tail them too. This is very important, for, i think that Scrimmgoer, is still adament about finding out what harry and DD was up to, before, DD and Harry came back to the castle and found the Dark Mark over the Lightening Struck Tower. Feedback Please!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

I don't think that is the case, about being able to change into multiple animals. I am pretty sure that you can only change into one and your Patronus and animagus wouldn't be the same. I am sure that we would have heard about it if they could change into multiple animals and I actually don't think that you have all that much control over what animal you become. To a certain extent you might be able to influence it a little bit, like Sirius and James both became big enough so that they could keep a werewolf in check and Peter became small so that he could get the knot, but I don't think that they had the power to chose their animal. Or I guess it could be the more powerful you are the bigger you become or the more influence you have, but yeah, that's what I think! Sorry I always disagree with you Prince, it isn't on purpose!

yea, thats ok HP, it adds flavour to the thread. There has to be those who disagree, to keep a thread running. Now, you say that you dont think that an animagus may not have very much influence over what animal they become. I dont think you are considering something here. In GoF, LV says that Wormtail has an infatuation with rats, so, I must say that he made himself become a rat, because, he liked rats, so, therefore, he "chose" to be a rat.

Hmm... maybe being interested in a certain animal to the extent of having an infatuation influences what your animagus is, but I don't think he really "chose" it.
If that were the case... everyone would be their favorite animals.

I don't know about that either. I do agree about the part that you probably can't chose because then everyone would be their favorite animal and that isn't how it is supoose to work. I think that it reflects your personality. Think of a stag, I went onto this indian animal representation website (totem animals) and it said that the stag was kind of a "king of the forest" type animal which is exactly like James. Then Peter, obviously, he turned out to be a pretty big rat and Sirius is kind of like a dog. Care-free just want to have fun kind of person, or in this case animal. Sorry but I don't think it is an infatuation concept either. You are usually obsessed with your favorite animal, plus, why would James have an infatuation with a stag? You have to think beyond Peter and he seems like the only one who had an infatuation to me.

i am all for the u cant pick what u wanna be because who in their right mind would wanna be a rat not even pettigrew is that stupid

Actually, aussiefawkes makes a pretty decent point. We all know that Peter is kind of like a rat, which is why I think that his animagus took on the form it did, but I don't think that he would choose it. We know that he was obsessed with power, that's why he hung out with the other three marauders and turned over to Voldemort, so why would he pick such a small, powerless animal. I bet that he would choose to be a dragon or something, not a rat.

Ahh, I agree with what was jjust brought up- who would pick a rat? Unless you... have... no. I can't come up with anything.
I was going to ask why Rita Skeeter would turn into some kind of beatle if was supposed to reflect her... but she is good at getting into small hiden thoughts from people, and can be pesky like a bug

Okay, well, I think we are stray away from the patronus part of the topic, and more toward the animabus part. Oh well, Ill comment on it. Well, I dont think that that may be true, the part where a persons animagus, will be, a form of their personality. see, Wormtail, is a bit weak, and even, maybe some could consider him, a coward. So, what is the easiest thing to scare with the slightest sound? A rat of course. So, with this being said, Harry would have to become something that reflects bravery or loyalty. so would ron and hermione. but each a different animal. what if some one could turn into a animal/creature. you know, what if an animagus, isnt nessicaryily an animal, but a creature, within the HP world. What if one of the Dark Order, could transform into a dementor? aaaaahhhh, that is scary, almost had a heart attack, thinking about that. Feedback Please!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

I think Rita turned into a bettle because it reflected her personality...A PEST! that or something someone would like to scwish! lol

Haha!! Well said loza-cm I think that's what I was getting at.
As for what Ron would be... umm. Well. He's easily scared, becomes embarrassed easily, but has his own opinions and proves to be brave when he needs to be. So... uhh... some kind of cat maybe. They get scared of the strangest things (well, mine do) but are brave when they need to fight. When I think of Ron I don't immediately think of cats though, so I don't know.
As for Hermione... I don't really feel like thinking right now, but obviously something smart. OOH wouldn't a dolphin be cool??! But then it would only work in water.

Sorry, my thoughts are a little awry right now *overtired*

She is a pretty big pest! As for Ron's, well, since McGonagall turned into a cat I don't think that would suit him, though it does sound a lot like him. Maybe a, hmmm, well, I don't know. It has been a hard week so my brain is kind of fried, I think that I will have to post later.

A dolphin would be perfect for Hermione! I love it, I was actually thinking of an owl at first but that is so much better!

If you couldn't choose the animal but could only choose the inherent qualities of the animal couldn't you just define what you needed by what the animal has? Like Krum could choose an animal that can breathe underwater but didn't get to specify shark but if he said large carnivorous gilled cartilaged etc he could say exactly what he wanted possibly even down to what type of shark if he got specific enough. So wouldn't that make it so you could almost pick what you wanted? I do understand both sides of the Wormtail argument who would want to be a rat, but if I loved rats why wouldn't I want to be one. A rat is also small enough to hit the knot without getting hit by the tree but why not a mouse or a gerbil or other rodent? Why not a lizard or something else small and quick? Maybe because he wanted something that wouldn't look amiss if a teacher saw him but with the houseelves and charms on the castle do you really think they couldn't get rid of pests well enough that a stray rat wouldn't be noticed?

I think it has more to do with his capabilities as a wizard. When MM is teaching them transfiguration she talks about how turning something into something else is rather easy on the scale of things. The toothpick needle is easy the (i forget what) to a snail is slightly harder but the pincushion to hedgehog is hard enough that even Hermione is only getting the hang of it near the end of lesson. I think it's along those lines a larger animal would probably be more complicated to get all the proportions right and I think that with the help of the others they could get him to a small mammal without too much trouble.

PS OT You would think the spell check on this site would recognize Hermione

I read through some of the interviews with JK from the links here on VTM. In one of them she said that a person's patronus takes the form of the animal the person thinks would best protect them. Their animagus is the animal with which their personality most closely matches. This does not mean that they need to be the same animal.

It makes sense that Harry's patronus would be a stag. His father was a stag animagi, so in a way, Harry's patronus is his father protecting him. I do not think Harry's animagus form would be a stag. Harry is much like James, but he is not James. There are some very key differences. Most notably why Harry breaks rules. James broke rules for fun, Harry only broke rules when he needed to accomplish something.

Ah, very good Burial!! The interview from Jo, proves, that in some cases, the patronus on has, can be the same as his/her animagus. Say that well, take rons father for instance. Ron may think that his father is the best person that would protect him, therefore, Ron's patronus, may be a Lion. This is because, well, Mr. Weasley, I have noticed, to be very much like that of Ron, he is brave, and loyal, and daring too. But then, Ron himself, maybe very brave, loyal, and daring also. Therefore, he would become a lion animagus. This puts both, Rons, animagus, and patronus, as a lion. So, in some cases, a persons patronus, can be the same as his/her animagus.

Now for your theory on Harry's animagus. If he isnt a stag animagus, then maybe hed become a Pheonix. He most certainly is the most Loyal person to DD and Fawkes. So, this Loyalty would make him a Pheonix. Why you say? Well, to me a pheonix, portrays great Loyalty. Look at the times that Fawkes appears to Harry, and look at the times, that Fawkes heals a wound of Harry's. Feedback please!!

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~~Prince~~

For harry's animagus i would go for a Pheonix...as harry said he is a dumbledore man through and through! but i was thinking if harry could turn into a Pheonix do you think his tears would have healing powers aswell? not while he is human but after he has transformed into the Pheonix? because if hermione was an owl they have a small and air born creature So they could have her fly around cheak stuff out..ron a lion he could be the braun and attack things and harry could heal them when they get hurt and carry them away (as Pheonix can carry heave loads) it would be the same as when they are human they need each others different qualitys to survive...What do you guy's think?

very interesting, Lozza. Yes, I do think it could happen this way, and is most cunning. It would help them alot, and definately in the search for Horcruxes, as the DEs will probably be on their tail, 24/7. Very good lozza, wish i thought of it really.

By the way, lozza, go to the circular room thread, i have posted a response to your post there.