Hi fellow Gryffindors. I haven't been in this forum for awhile. I only skimmed through the last couple of pages so I hope that I am not repeating anything already said.

I only wanted to theorize about what some peoples patronus/animagus would be. I guess my suggestion is that if your patronus protects you and your animegus reflects your qualities you wouldn't want them to be the same thing, if you could choose. You would want your animals to compliment each other.

Like Mooney, Padfoot, Wormtail, and Prongs...
Padfoot and prongs were large stout creatures that could over power Mooney if something went wrong. Wormtail had to be small enough to get past the womping willow. He had to be small and sneaky. The only thing I can think of that would be small and sneaky and have the capability to touch the knot is a mouse or a rat, maybe a weasle or ferret but I don't see that suiting Wormtail's personality.

Wouldn't it work the same way with their patronus. If Harry's patronus is a stag wouldn't he want to be able to turn into something stealthy, like maybe a wolf? And I guess whatever Hermione, Ron, and maybe Ginny turn into it would have to be the same concept. If Harry is a wolf, I can see Ron as a bear, Hermy as a jaguar or panther. She would have to be something that is cautious but can really do some damage. Ginny seems like a horse person to me. What do you think?

I think you hit the nail, right on the head with your post, Shasty. One thing though. You say that each character would have to have an animagus, that compliments with the others. If Ginny was a horse, then the others would be with out the small steathy animal. I think her liking of Arnold, the Pymypuff, proves, that a small animal, suits ginny, more so, than a horse<brawny animal>. She needs to be something small. I cant think of what she would be like though. She seems very peaceful, gentle, and caring, so, maybe she would be a Dove or a Pigeon. Doves, symbolize, peace, in the Holy Bible, so, I think she would be a, Turtle Dove. Feedback Please!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

I like the idea of ginny being a dove, a dove might not seem very helpful in the fight against voldermort but at this point in time ginny isn't going to help ( i think she will) but i do think a dove would help...a dove represents peace and hope if harry and the others are fighting LV and their morals are low, they are looking at defeat and they see a dove it fills them with hope and hope can be very powerful.

I like the Ginny as a Dove idea and don't say it wouldn't be useful it would have many of the same advantages of being an owl. However, a white dove would be easily visible in most situations and if anyone found out about her form she would become a quick target of DE's in any form.

This would make it all the more important for her to be quick witted and for the others to back her up should the need arise. So would she be a help or a curse in the fight remains to be determined, which would argue that a more stealthy or stronger animal were chosen for her.

Haven't been here a while, hope you don't mind if I budge into the conversation now)

Soo.. We are talking about animagi, huh? Personally, I don't see Ginny as a white dove. She has a very lively and fiesty personality, whereas a dove is a calm bird. And a white dove.. Well, white is a color of innocence, purity. It wouldn't exactly suit Ginny.
Her animagus should probably be a small, energetic animal.. A sparrow, maybe? Just a thought..

I have always liked the idea of Harry as a phoenix anigmai. I also wonder if he would have the magical abilities of a phoenix (healing, heavy loads, return to life,...). I am more curious in the general powers attributed to animagi. When Sirius fought Lupin in PoA (when they were both transformed), it makes sense that Lupin may have bitten Sirius. But, Sirius did not become a werewolf.

Are animagi immune to werewolf bites when they are transformed? After at least three years of monthly wanderings at Hogwarts, I would guess that at least one of the Marauders were bitten. Why didn't they becomes werewolves then?

Concerning Ginny, I agree with bluezz. Her animagi would be a small, but fiery animal. Perhaps a blast-ended screwt? (Of course I am joking.) I do not envision her as a bird. I think of her as a cat, like McGonagall. Like a cat, Ginny is quick and sharp. Normally docile, she can be vicious when attacked.

I think the lion suits Ron very well (since a lion is large enough to kill a spider). I do not think of Hermione as an eagle owl. I think a falcon suits her better.

I have to say that I didn't quite agree with myself when I said that Ginny could be a horse. I was thinking of an animal that was swift and fiery but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. And then it hit me, Ginny is very clever. I think Ginny would be a great fox! What di you all think?

AHH FOX!! why didn't i think of that?...Grr!!! but yes your right that does remind me alot of ginny quick fast and RED the both have RED HAIR hehehe..sorry..anyway i can't believe i didn't think of that. GOOD GOING! i think people might disagree because foxes are seen and evil and cunning but fixes can be cunning with out being evil! most of the time they are just trying to feed and protect themselves and their familys!

A fox? Hmmmm. I could see how that fits her, but the traditional perception (where I live) is that the fox is particularly cunning. Ginny is intelligent, but she does not strike me as cunning.

As a note, I define cunning as: skill employed in a shrewd or sly manner; craftiness; guile. Whereas intelligence is capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding.

I have to agree, Lozza, you see, I raised an abandoned fox cub. It was quite, er, mischiefy<word?>, but also pretty docile. All it wanted to do, is cuttle with its mummy<Me>. So, I must say, Foxes, are quite docile, and at times, can be quite, Mischiefy. This one, was playful and feisty too. I really miss her. Oh well, I have seen her lately, and she is a Mummy, so im a Pappy. Sorry, back to the real topic here, haha. Now, for the part about, the rest of the foxes nature. They are fast, and cunning, they remind me of Hermione, but, Ginny is like a younger Hermione, also, so, a fox, would make sence. If we are coordinating, a persons hair color, with their animagus, then hermione, will have to be something, that has brown bushy hair. A squirrel perhaps? Are they witty and intelligent creatures, i am not sure? Then Ron, like ginny would have to have an animagus, that has red fur. Do lions have red manes, or fur coats, in general? I still like Ron, as being a lion. Feedback Please!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

Prince, I like how you describe Ginny as mischievious. That sounds very much like the Weasley family in general. It is a perfect description for Ginny. You know, I am starting to like the idea of Ginny as a fox.

I certainly hope we have not inadvertantly discovered foreshadowing. (If Ginny is a fox & we know Bellatrix killed a fox by Snape's home).

Thats a scary thouoght!...but bellatrix will get her's in the end!!! like she can kill serius and get away with it..she is just luck i don't bang down JKR door force her to write me into the book so i can kill her myself! *deep breaths* anyway back on track here..i have my bets on ....Ginny/fox..harry/Pheonix...ron/lion...Hermione/Owl and Draco/Ferit haha sorry couldn't help myself anyway i have a question for you all...(which will help me in my own wicked way) what do you think nearly headless nick did to get exicuted i don't expect a big huge topic discussion just a few ideas!!!

I have also wondered what Nick did. I vaguely remember an interview where JK discussed it. Not sure if I am 'rembering' something that never happened or I actually read it. Anyway, I always think it was about a girl. I like the idea that Nick engaged in a forbidden love and got rumbled.

Nice one, with Bella, Lozza. No, not the ginny getting killed by her, part. I am talking about, her getting what is coming to her. I have one question though. Who will avenge, Sirius' death, and Neville's Parent's Addlement by Bella? We are having sort of the same discussion, about who will put Wormtail in check. There are like three possibilites, there. I am not sure about Bella though. Maybe, Tonks, she is Sirius' cousin. Or, maybe Harry, he should avenge Sirius. I dont think this will be so though. harry already has to put two people in check. LV, and Snape, that is, if Snape IS evil.

ok i think that nevile will put bella in check..i think there is a point where he needs to shine and have his moment and be ( a hero like his father as his nan would say) i don't think harry will put snape in check and i don't thik snape is evil but obviously he will Get LV in the end!!! aslso on the wormtail front i think that harry will be about to be killed and wormtail will pay his life debt to harry and save his life either but jumping infront of harry and dieing to save his life or just saving him.

I'm goimg to jump back a few post and say that I also remember an interview with JK where she discussed a larger role for Nearly Headless Nick. She had written him his own song and everything but had to cut all of that out. I believe she may have even mentioned Nick's crime. Give me some time and I'll hunt it down for you, lozza-cm...

This song is on Jo's official website. heres the link:

<JKR's Official Website>

Also, if it doesnt say Nick's crime, in detail, then I was wondering if Nick was a wizard, when he was mortal<alive>. If he was, and he lived over five hundred years ago, then didn't muggles still persecute, the magical world? If so, then maybe he was suspected as a wizard, and sentenced to death, by beheading. Maybe that is how muggles killed the suspected wizards. We know that in the midevil days, that witches were burned at a stake, so, maybe wizards, had a different way of being sentenced to death. Feedback Please!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

Nick had to be a wizard or at least magical when he was alive. Remember after Sirius's death Harry is having a hard time with it and he goes to talk to Nick. Harry is trying to see if Sirius will come back as a ghost and the first thing Nick says is only wizards can be ghosts.

And to my understanding Jo developed full characters for just about every single character she wrote about and alot of it was lost in editing or in making sure the books flowed forward instead of getting stuck in details. At least that is how I understand her site.

Then my theory of why Nick, was sentenced to beheading, is still very much plausible. Since he is a wizard, he most likely was persecuted, 500 years ago, as i am sure that the persecution of the magical world, was in full swing, as it was only 500-1500 years, after the initial start of the persecutions. Feedback please!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

I was just recently wondering why Nick was beheaded and what crime he committed. Think about this though, Nick told Harry that some people are afraid to die and of what lies beyond that. That is why some become ghosts and if Nick could go back he may not have become one himself and taken his chances with moving on. Could Nick have done something so awful that perhaps he was afraid of Hell? It seems interesting because we love Nick and can't imagine what he could have done for that but...

I think your theory is plausible but for some reason I get the feeling that he was beheaded for being too interested in someone's daughter/wife/betrothed. Not that there is really any evidence for that it just seems like he made someone more powerful than him politically very very angry. I mean that could say he stole something of theirs but then wouldn't that make him less gyrffindor and make someone else a better choice for gryffindor ghost, which is why I think he was beheaded not so much for a crime but for a power struggle factor.

Also when Harry is writing his HoM paper about the muggle witch hunts it seems like they almost never really caught real magic people and those that they did didn't die because they would change the nature of the fire or they could probably just 'escape' /aparate out of their holding cell. Which makes me think it more likely that he was killed by magic folk who would know how to keep him contained.

I posted this idea the other day. Nick seems to be the type that he would not be afraid to get involved in a forbidden love with wife/daughter/sister/etc. I does strike me as odd that he was afraid of the consequences (death), though. I am not sure. Are there any other ideas as to Nick's crime?

Also, where on JK's official site was Nick's song? I looked but could not find it.

Those witches and wizards who were caught seemed to like the way fire tickled so there is a charm not to be burned anyway, like Floo powder. I agree with the last comment on Nick in the sense that he is very conceited so that fits. I would hate to think that Nick did something like commit murder or something.

I think the song was in the extras part of the site. I am not sure, ill have to go to it hold on, ill do that, then get back to you, Burial. By the way, I dont see Nick as having a forbidden love. I see him, as a Knight of some sort. You see, i think his name is, Sir Nicholas De Mimsey Porpington, and that "Sir" title, was only given to Knights, back in Nick's day. So, maybe he was beheaded by a muggle kingdom. You see, think of King Arthurs, day. This is how the ranks go, from greatest to least, in a royal family.

King
Queen
Prince
Princess
Duke
Lord
Knight
Squire
Peasant

With this being said, maybe Nick was fighting to become a Lord, or Duke. Maybe it was a type of tournament, like that of the old Roman times. We know that in Medevil Folklore, that they had jousting and dueling tournaments, to determine if knights and dukes, or lords, had the right to marry into the royal family. So, this being said, maybe Nick, was fighting in one of these types of duels, and lost his head<literally> with a battle axe. He comments to Ron at the gryffindore house table, in OotP, that Ron had the sensitivity of a blunt battle axe, so, this is how i am basing my theory. Feedback Please!!

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

I generally think the worst of people so I had just assumed Nick was on trial for something and found guilty. You bring up a very interesting point though. I think it's entirely possible it was some sort of "accident" or tournament. And I just assumed he'd been a bad boy. Perhaps I owe poor Sir Nicolas an apology...

Wow, a pesimist<SP?>. I am pretty sure, that it was the idea of my tournament theory. It seems absolutely, what could have happened, because, that is how they did things back then. Now, I am sure it was a muggle kingdom, because, Jo mentions that there are no witches or wizards that are monarchs<King, Queen, Prince, Princess,ect>.

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

No, it was not an accident. Nick was executed. Here is an excerpt from CoS. (page 124 Am. Ed. ....scene is Nick's rejection letter)



So, what did Nick do that warranted a public execution?

This is Nearly Headless Nick's song: <see Link>, <Nick's Song>

It was, like I said, in the extra stuff, section of her site, click on the brush, then go to characters, then Nearly Headless Nick, then go to the scroller, and scroll down in the actual inset.

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

Ewww, terrible way to die, Mateys, terrible, I say!! It must of been worse than torture. No wonder he gets so sensitive about his death!! Terrible, I say, Terrible! Haha, sorry about that add in, but it was a horrible death, you have to admit.

~~Prince~~

hmm... this is a very interesting topic. I don't know if any of you guys have noticed but Nick's clothes in the movie seem to help prove that he was in a kingdom or so. In the movies, they could be wrong but I'm just saying, Nick's is wearing clothes like those in King Arthurs day. It looks very noble and a lot like a Kinght would wear it. Now, I'm not really sure about this but...Can Ghost's change their clothes??? I don't think so. I mean, if someone dies all their cloathes wouldn't turn into ghost clothes. no, i guess not. Anyway, I think Nick was, at the time of his death, either in one of those tournaments...the name excapes me right now, or on trial and "beheaded." Then again, if he was beheaded, wouldn't his whole head be off?

Ok, well, I haven't read all the topic but I think that I got the jist of it. His clothes does make him look noble so I bet that he was royal, and I don't think that ghosts can change their clothes. I am assuming that whatever they die in is what they stay in for eternity. I guess he could have been in a tournament too, but right now in history class we are hearing about a lot of people who were beheaded, particularly in the Renaissance period. One of my history crazed friends said that when someone was beheaded the blunted their axe so that their victim would suffer so that is a possibility too.

Another possibility is that usually they only sharped the blade once for the day so if there were multiple executions the later persons might not be getting the swiftest of deaths. This was particularly noticeable during the French revolution when many nobles may have been killed on the days of execution. Probably because most people didn't get alot of days off and well whats the point of a public execution if noone's there to watch.

EDIT: And if the person's dead what's the point of cutting that last little bit of flesh at least this way you don't have to keep the body with the head. (Sorry slightly morbid)

In Nick's song it says,
"But the process of Justice was lax;
They'd brought out the block, though
they'd mislaid the rock
Where they usually sharpened the axe.
Next morning at dawn, with a face
most forlorn,
The priest said to try not to cry,
"You can come just like that, no, you
won't need a hat,"
And I knew that my end must be nigh."

I think he is telling us that he didn't get a fair trial. It was over in a day. And if you can remember back in POA the executioner was not interested in justice. He only wanted a head to chop on. This explains why he is still wearing his nobel garments; he was never even given time to change. MY theory is his ghost-head is still attached because he died before his head was severed completely. I'm assuming anything done to the body after death has no effect on the spirit. I guess his head may have been chopped all the way off but he died in between swings.

who is ravenclaw's teacher person?

I would Like to apolojize for using that one liner(see previous post). i briefly forgot the no one liner rule. please don't kick me out.

Any way you all know that proffesor Snape is Slytherin's teacher, Gryffindor's is Professor Minerva McGonagall , and huffelpuffs is proffesor sprout.

Professor Flitwick is Ravenclaws head of house. In Sorcerer's Stone Dumbledore, Hagrid and each house head were protecting the stone. Dumbledore used the Mirror, Hagrid supplied Fluffy, Professor Sprout, Head of Hufflepuff provided the Devil's Snare, Professor Flitwick charmed the keys, Professor McGonagall transfigured the chess pieces and Professor Snape supplied the potions and the logic problem to sort them.

I'll go ahead and say sorry that this is off topic, but I'm new to the Gryffindor House. Can someone update me on what's going on? Thank-you.

Welcome to the Common Room Jak. There is no need to "be off topic" in the house threads. They generally change quickly. At the current time, we are discussing the heads of houses (Snape for Slytherin, Flitwick for Ravenclaw, McGonagall for Gryffindor and Sprout for Hufflepuff).

Before that we were discussing Nearly Headless Nick and his execution. Feel free to contribute at any time. We also appreciate new topics. Always be sure to read previous posts to get the feel for the discussion. It does not take long and prevents repeating the same information.

Lots of interesting theories on Nick. I am proud that many of you are gryffindores! Let me congradulate the gryffindore house, for having more pages of discussion than that of all the other houses put together!! Bravisimo!! Now to add to the Nick discussion. I am really leaning toward that Nick was dead, before he was completely beheaded. Also, I think he may not of had a fair trial. Finally, I myself, think that the blunt bladed theories, that were based upon the Rennsosonce period, is true. They did still have Nobles, in this peoriod. I am thinking of the I think it was the French king, King Louis the<?, dont know what Louis it was>, that was in the Rennosonse period, he i think had his head severed, or someone within his kindoms, head severed. Hm, what else was discussed about the Heads of Houses, besides that of who is the Ravenclaw Head of House? That was already answered, so, what else, about the head of house topic, is being discussed?

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

Good Afternoon everybody! There was just a quick question on the Head of Houses so I'm not really sure what we want to discuss today. I have a question that may start us off. I've been tickling with the theory that the locket horcrux is a Grimmauld but the locket in the pensieve in HBP I believe is Gold and the one that could not be opened in OotP is Silver. Just a discrepancy? I don't think Rowling would make a mistake so perhaps it isn't the horcrux. Any takers on that one?

Does it specifically say that the locket in Grimmauld Place was silver? I thought it said they were both gold. I do not have my book with me at the moment. I need to check on that. Anyone who has their books, please feel free to write the actual quotes. If no one does, I will do so later this evening.

I thought it was Gold.

About Nick: What he said, He didnt get a fair trial, dont people want to die royally? Like King Edward I of England put on his best clothes and ate then got executed, he didnt get a trial really.

About the house: Flitwich; Ravenclaw, Sprout; Hufflepuff, Snape; Slytherin and McGonagall; Gryffindor, sorry if this has been answered.

But hello guys, I havent been around in a month, broken computer, how is everyone?!

hello fellow gryffindors!!

I am a new member and was just wondering what exactly we do in the house thread?

Hi Mungo healer 1! I'm fairly new as well but you will love our common room. What I usually do is look over the most recent posts to what is currently being discussed. I have read some of the most interesting things and we have great conversations. Really it seems you can bring up anything about HP that you want to discuss. I hope you enjoy it. Every time I'm in the forums I check out this thread it's really cool.

I appreciate the work on the lockets. I hope that I'm wrong and that they are both the same metal because we have enough complicated theories out there.

Welcome, welcome to our big family and the common room, really what dreamwalker said is just look over the posts and see what they were talking about, the subject usually changes everyday so don't feel left out.. Again welcome

Lol what a surprise... JUST GOT SORTED. Not really a surprise at all but HELLO fellow royalty!!! What's going on everybody?

Can anybody hook me up with a sweet Gryffy banner or some'in'?

Hi I have just been sorted into Gryffindor! Erm I don't mean to completely change the subject but y'know kids that are born into wizarding families, are they like taught to read and write at home or do they go to a wizarding primary school! Lol Sorry that question was a bit random

I dunno babe, I've always wondered about particular things like that... I suppose they are taught at home at an early age or something... There are so many ridiculous things like that just waiting to be thought about... I just got sorted too, as I presume you noticed lol.

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only new one here

About Nick: Maybe he was framed? It wouldn't have been a very fair trial if he didn't commit the crime he was executed for. And really, there was no way of telling during that time...

I read in an interview with JK that young wizards are home schooled. There is no wizarding primary school. Concerning the lockets.....

~OotP p. 116 Am. Ed.

So, we are not told whether or not the locket in Grimmauld Place is silver or gold.

I was thinking that After. I just couldn't be bothered to actually look but I am fairly certain it is a Horcrux.

I agree. There is so much evidence for it. But, seeing as the point was brought up about the locket being silver, I thought it would be a good idea to check what was written to be certain.