As promised then, we're going to try out some House threads, see how they go.
These threads are for people who have been sorted here first. They are for generalised discussions about the role of your house in the books, for discussion of the founders and anything else that you think is relevant to your house.
Please remember the VTM Forums Rules, which are linked in my signature. No one liners, off topic and personal conversations type posts are allowed.
Okay...who's going to start it off then?
Full Version: The Gryffindor House Thread
After consideration, I think a general overview of house "qualities" is in order. 
Each house, as shown in Book 1, is listed as having specific traits. Here is an excerpt from Book 1:
You might belong to Gryffindor,
Where dwell the brave at heart,
Their daring, nerve and chivalry, set Gryffindors apart;
Obviously, our main characters are Gryffindors. Well loved co-stars as well (Neville, Fred, George etc.) As well as certain well loved professors, (both alive and passed. Oh, and who can forget the fact that Percy is in Gryffindor as well?
Let's start the discussion off by discussing the folks that we know are in each house, why you think they are there, and what you have in common with whom. (ie: do you see yourself in any of the Gryffindors?)
Remember, this thread was put here as a "test" to see if things of this sort will fly. Make your posts well thought out, more than one line, and free from rubbish such as, "Ron is soooo hot. I am happy to be in the same house as him!
"..... 
Let's think outside of the box folks.
Each house, as shown in Book 1, is listed as having specific traits. Here is an excerpt from Book 1:You might belong to Gryffindor,
Where dwell the brave at heart,
Their daring, nerve and chivalry, set Gryffindors apart;
Obviously, our main characters are Gryffindors. Well loved co-stars as well (Neville, Fred, George etc.) As well as certain well loved professors, (both alive and passed.
Oh, and who can forget the fact that Percy is in Gryffindor as well?Let's start the discussion off by discussing the folks that we know are in each house, why you think they are there, and what you have in common with whom. (ie: do you see yourself in any of the Gryffindors?)
Remember, this thread was put here as a "test" to see if things of this sort will fly. Make your posts well thought out, more than one line, and free from rubbish such as, "Ron is soooo hot. I am happy to be in the same house as him!
"..... Let's think outside of the box folks.
I Love this thread but,Since I Have had my own invisionfree site that I was an admin in.Are we going to put a password lock on it?
Because then non gryffidors can see our conversations.
Because then non gryffidors can see our conversations.
hello there! As I am new to this site I was in fact sorted into Gryffindor! 
Welcome, would you like to elaborate by answering some of the questions Snapelover offered?
Welcome, would you like to elaborate by answering some of the questions Snapelover offered?
No not to my knowledge, The Only Harry Potter. The Gryffindor House is accessible to anyone who wishes to participate in the current discussion about Gryffindor.
I can relate to Hermione's assertiveness and her compassion for others. The Gryffindors I hands down admire the most are Hagrid, Neville and Lupin. They aren't the brightest, the most famous or talented yet they have the type of bravery even Voldemort can't extinguish. All three are courageous enough to keep going despite the tragedies because each of them have a strong character that means to me, "No matter what, I'm worth waking up another day and so are those that I also care about".
I can relate to Hermione's assertiveness and her compassion for others. The Gryffindors I hands down admire the most are Hagrid, Neville and Lupin. They aren't the brightest, the most famous or talented yet they have the type of bravery even Voldemort can't extinguish. All three are courageous enough to keep going despite the tragedies because each of them have a strong character that means to me, "No matter what, I'm worth waking up another day and so are those that I also care about".
Hey!!
I am also Gryffindor (oviously or else why would I be here) First off, thanks for giving this a shot and I hope it works out because it is a cool idea! Secondly I can see myself being a bit like Hermione..I and kinda smart and I think school is ok..also I read..alot..for fun! Which people concider weird..(dont know why though) Well thats all I got for now!! So till then..laters!
Courtney
I am also Gryffindor (oviously or else why would I be here) First off, thanks for giving this a shot and I hope it works out because it is a cool idea! Secondly I can see myself being a bit like Hermione..I and kinda smart and I think school is ok..also I read..alot..for fun! Which people concider weird..(dont know why though) Well thats all I got for now!! So till then..laters!
Courtney
Okay, well, I was sorted (a long time ago) into Gryffindor too.
The Gryffindor that I can relate to most is also Hermione. Everytime something is explained in the book about her, whether physically or emotionally, I immediately think 'wow, that's just like me'. That's one of the main reasons she's my favorite character as well.
I know how anxious she feels when it's test timing, and can understand when she's mostly surrounding by peers who haven't matured as quickly as her and so she and I can get very tiresome.
Then again, I can understand Ron as well. (and of course, we all relate to Harry, even for just the tinest bit..)
Ron has brothers and sister that get on his nerves, and I definetly know how that feels like, since I have a younger sister, and I cannot live with her...
Oh, and I have a little question, does anyone really feel brave? I know I don't. When I first read about Gryffindor, I thought that you had to be the most couragous person and could fear nothing. I realized that Harry and the rest have fears..but I still can't help feeling a little guilty whenever I see the quotes 'You might belong to Gryffindor,
Where dwell the brave at heart,
Their daring, nerve and chivalry, set Gryffindors apart'.
This is because I never feel brave, and yet this is basically the Gryffindor motto, and I wonder why I'm in this house. I know that Harry Potter isn't real, but the traits he and everyone else posseses are, so that's what really gets me thinking.
The Gryffindor that I can relate to most is also Hermione. Everytime something is explained in the book about her, whether physically or emotionally, I immediately think 'wow, that's just like me'. That's one of the main reasons she's my favorite character as well.
I know how anxious she feels when it's test timing, and can understand when she's mostly surrounding by peers who haven't matured as quickly as her and so she and I can get very tiresome.
Then again, I can understand Ron as well. (and of course, we all relate to Harry, even for just the tinest bit..)
Ron has brothers and sister that get on his nerves, and I definetly know how that feels like, since I have a younger sister, and I cannot live with her...
Oh, and I have a little question, does anyone really feel brave? I know I don't. When I first read about Gryffindor, I thought that you had to be the most couragous person and could fear nothing. I realized that Harry and the rest have fears..but I still can't help feeling a little guilty whenever I see the quotes 'You might belong to Gryffindor,
Where dwell the brave at heart,
Their daring, nerve and chivalry, set Gryffindors apart'.
This is because I never feel brave, and yet this is basically the Gryffindor motto, and I wonder why I'm in this house. I know that Harry Potter isn't real, but the traits he and everyone else posseses are, so that's what really gets me thinking.
| QUOTE (Hermione_Resilda @ Apr 11 2006, 04:25 PM) |
| Oh, and I have a little question, does anyone really feel brave? I know I don't. When I first read about Gryffindor, I thought that you had to be the most couragous person and could fear nothing. I realized that Harry and the rest have fears..but I still can't help feeling a little guilty whenever I see the quotes 'You might belong to Gryffindor, Where dwell the brave at heart, Their daring, nerve and chivalry, set Gryffindors apart'. This is because I never feel brave, and yet this is basically the Gryffindor motto, and I wonder why I'm in this house. I know that Harry Potter isn't real, but the traits he and everyone else posseses are, so that's what really gets me thinking. |
Just thought I'd share this little tidbit...
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia bravery can mean:
* * Courage, the human condition to confront pain and fear * *
Hermione_Resilda, bravery comes to us in many forms. Bravery in no way simply means the absence of fear, but the ability to stand strong and hold your head up high in the face of those fears. It could be speaking up for something or someone you believe in, or it could be confronting danger. Yes, I believe myself to be brave; I don't live a life without fear, but I'm not going to allow fear to keep me from living my life.
Titus, I couldn't have said it better myself.... there's much to be said for those like Hagrid and Neville. Both have amazing strength of character and heart; we've seen each stand up for what they believe to be right. I have so much respect for these characters for the sheer fact that even as the ones without the most magical talent, they are always willing to go the extra step to lend a helping hand and support those they care about.
As far as myself in whether or not I resemble a particular character...hmmm... you know, I think I might have to give this one some additional thought....
Hey, I was sorted into Gryffindor as well. I think I see myself most in Neville, because he's always willing to fight the good fight with his friend's at his side (I don't fight all the time, but if my friend's were in trouble I'd be there to back them up...but that hasn't happened in a long time). And I stand up for what I believe in (a Gryffindor trait I suppose). I'm not entirely sure, but I just identify with him above the rest of the Gryffindors. Though at times I doubt myself...
What I want to know is how Wormtail got into Gryffindor. Perhaps he has some hidden trait that will reveal itself later on, or maybe it already has. Same thing with Percy.
What I want to know is how Wormtail got into Gryffindor. Perhaps he has some hidden trait that will reveal itself later on, or maybe it already has. Same thing with Percy.
| QUOTE (El Barto @ Apr 12 2006, 02:51 AM) |
| What I want to know is how Wormtail got into Gryffindor. Perhaps he has some hidden trait that will reveal itself later on, or maybe it already has. Same thing with Percy. |
EEK! *Alert!*Ravenclaw crashing the Gryffindor Common Room!*Alert!*
Well, Chris, I have my own opinions on Pettegrew's and Percy's Gryffindor placements. It takes a whole lot of courage and braveness to do something as risky as what the two of them did: become somewhat of "traitors." Peter turned his back on two of his best friends, and what he thought he believed in. He traded his soul to the Dark Side. Not anybody can do that. If you had the option, would you kill your own best friends? I can't imagine that you would. It takes a true "daring" person to do such a terrible thing.
Percy: ignored his family and joined sides with the Ministry of Magic. He cut off almost all ties with every one of his family members, when realistically, they did nothing wrong. Once again, Percy shows his determination and courageousness (is that a word?
) in doing what he believed was the right thing.The two of them went against the gradient. Against the common flow. Think about it: did you ever do something completely differnt tahn what everybody else was doing? Didn't everybody look at you as if there was something wrong with you? I know I have had those types of experiences, but only those who show that they are brave and do not care about what others think of them can pull through. That is a true Gryffindor quality.
_daviD
Thats true, they were brave in those respects. We, or perhaps just me, saw it as being cowardly for betraying your friends and joining a side that you thought would win a war...or was he pressured? He may have done it for personal gain since I think he is more powerful than we've been led on to believe. To me, that is a Slytherin trait, but nothing against the Slytherin's on VTM of course...
As for Percy, I feel the same way, but of course it has had less of a detrimental effect.
Maybe its how we interpret their actions, because I can see it either way now
As for Percy, I feel the same way, but of course it has had less of a detrimental effect.
Maybe its how we interpret their actions, because I can see it either way now
Yeah, I remember Ron saying "There's not a witch or wizard who went bad that wasn't in Slytherin." Which of course isn't true! Wormtail went very bad!
But don't we kind of 'expect' Slytherins to turn out bad? And Gryffindors to never do it?
I'm more of a "Neville" sort of Gryffindor, I think. I don't like the limelight--don't need to stand out in the crowd. But I'm pretty loyal. When I first entered my information for the sorting hat though, I thought they'd put me in Slytherin. lol
But don't we kind of 'expect' Slytherins to turn out bad? And Gryffindors to never do it?
I'm more of a "Neville" sort of Gryffindor, I think. I don't like the limelight--don't need to stand out in the crowd. But I'm pretty loyal. When I first entered my information for the sorting hat though, I thought they'd put me in Slytherin. lol
well, I think I'm most like Ron because we're both a little quirky, and yes we aren't really the smartest of the bunch but we do make an impact on people we meet. Our personalities stand out and that's what I think makes me most like Ron.
Hey i like this topic!!
Ok, first off, I think I am most like Hermione. Both looks and personality. I love books and like to know things.
But there is one thing. I wouldn't see myself as brave. Thats like Griffindors main thing... oh well.
Wormtail and Percy: Both of them turned against there family and friends after they were sorted and left school. When the sorting hat sorted Wormtail, he wasn't on the Voldemorts side was he?
And Percy was just another Weasley, a particularly big-headed one mind you, but just a normal Weasley. And besides he didn't do anything evil just stuck to what he believed in, or rather what his boss believed in ...
Ok, first off, I think I am most like Hermione. Both looks and personality. I love books and like to know things.
But there is one thing. I wouldn't see myself as brave. Thats like Griffindors main thing... oh well.
Wormtail and Percy: Both of them turned against there family and friends after they were sorted and left school. When the sorting hat sorted Wormtail, he wasn't on the Voldemorts side was he?
And Percy was just another Weasley, a particularly big-headed one mind you, but just a normal Weasley. And besides he didn't do anything evil just stuck to what he believed in, or rather what his boss believed in ...
Yeah, I'm crashing too. 
Sorry, just wanted to say, that I have always been really puzzled: how on earth could Godric Gryffindor's Hat itself have let Pettigrew into Gryffindor?! I suppose it has something to do with the bond he has with Harry - he might actually do something courageous for once, but whoa! - close call, eh?
As for Slytherins being expected to turn bad - yeah, big time! (No offence to VTM Slytherins - you guys are per definition the best). But what if, as I believe, Snape is innocent and Regulus Black is RAB? Haven't they turned that misconception around? Sure they might have followed it at first, but how cool would it be if they could really escape that and behave, in the end, like true Gryffindors would have done. I'd think that was cool, but ignore this if you don't believe that - just my opinion. Harry wouldn't think it's funny for one.
Sorry, just wanted to say, that I have always been really puzzled: how on earth could Godric Gryffindor's Hat itself have let Pettigrew into Gryffindor?! I suppose it has something to do with the bond he has with Harry - he might actually do something courageous for once, but whoa! - close call, eh?As for Slytherins being expected to turn bad - yeah, big time! (No offence to VTM Slytherins - you guys are per definition the best). But what if, as I believe, Snape is innocent and Regulus Black is RAB? Haven't they turned that misconception around? Sure they might have followed it at first, but how cool would it be if they could really escape that and behave, in the end, like true Gryffindors would have done. I'd think that was cool, but ignore this if you don't believe that - just my opinion. Harry wouldn't think it's funny for one.
hey fellow Gryffindors!
Its great to see four new threads, one for each house. I was sorted into Gryffindor quite a while ago, about 8 months ago, and I love it. I think that Im a mix between Hermione and Neville, as far as characteristics and personallities go. I have the book smarts of Hermione, and yet the clumsyness, and common sense of Neville. And Im only brave if necessary.
As for Slyerthins turning bad, its kind of expected by now that they wont be the next Dumbledore of Howarts. I mean theres a reason the Sorting Hat did not put them in any other house. As for Percy and Wormtail, Wormtail made the easy choice not the right choice, and Percy basically decided that his work and job were more important than his family, so he switched sides, but not totally. After all, hes not a Voldemort supporter, he just is on the same side as Dumbledore. Thats all for now
-Kelly
Its great to see four new threads, one for each house
. I was sorted into Gryffindor quite a while ago, about 8 months ago, and I love it. I think that Im a mix between Hermione and Neville, as far as characteristics and personallities go. I have the book smarts of Hermione, and yet the clumsyness, and common sense of Neville. And Im only brave if necessary.As for Slyerthins turning bad, its kind of expected by now that they wont be the next Dumbledore of Howarts. I mean theres a reason the Sorting Hat did not put them in any other house. As for Percy and Wormtail, Wormtail made the easy choice not the right choice, and Percy basically decided that his work and job were more important than his family, so he switched sides, but not totally. After all, hes not a Voldemort supporter, he just is on the same side as Dumbledore. Thats all for now
-Kelly
I'll throw in my two cents about Petigrew... while I'm not going to argue that his actions were that of a coward (didn't Sirius himself say he would have rather died than betray his friends?) he still made a decision when confronted with a fearful situation. Granted, he may have done it under duress, but he did it none-the-less.
When it comes to Percy, like many have said, he too made a choice and stuck to his guns. I'm going to assume it takes a fair bit of strength to abandon one's family, but he did.
Okay, now that I've had time to think about which character I'm most like, I'm going to say Ginny. Why? Well, Ginny is intelligent, but unlike Hermione, she doesn't dwell on her aptitude. I know my strengths and weaknesses and I'm pleased with my ability... Ginny also has a slight mischievous side, and well....
When it comes to Percy, like many have said, he too made a choice and stuck to his guns. I'm going to assume it takes a fair bit of strength to abandon one's family, but he did.
Okay, now that I've had time to think about which character I'm most like, I'm going to say Ginny. Why? Well, Ginny is intelligent, but unlike Hermione, she doesn't dwell on her aptitude. I know my strengths and weaknesses and I'm pleased with my ability... Ginny also has a slight mischievous side, and well....
Hiya Everyone,
Ermm...well basically the first thing i ever did when i joined (whihc was probably in December) was get Sorted in the Sorting hat and like EVERY other sorting hat..the VTM one put me into Gryffindor!
Well i was definitely pleased and proud but now that all the Gryffindors have a common room, i am more than glad.
Seeing as a lot of the discussion is about Wormtail and Percy, I will say my view on the subject.
Wormtail was pure hearted when he first entered Hogwarts. The Sorting Hat did not sort him according to the future, but according to the present Wormtail or Peter as many call him.
We must not forget that Slughorn was a Slytherin but he was an innocent one and he did not do anything bad, and he was against the dark side. And there are many Slytherins who were evil but converted into good and brave people as time moved..(i cant specifically name one because although im racking my brains for an example, i keep forgetting but be assured that i will see to it soon.)
So anyhows Wormtail did not join the Dark Side out of love for Voldemort but because he knew he had no choice...it was what anyone except the brave would have done. Wormtail was a coward so it was expected that he would give in easily. Unfortunately, the Sorting Hat does not sort you into hwo you WILL be like, but how you ARE like and he was very good when he first started studying at Hogwarts.
Moving on to Percy, he did not side with the dark side but he favoured his Job and the Minister, to his family and he didnt come back to them because he was ashamed to admit that he was wrong!
About which character you are most like, I reply by saying "Hermione" and I probably will never change my mind about that. I must admit that the Smartness of Hermione can never be like mine because shes too clever and she studies too much. Admittedly I must say that my grades are not bad but Never in my life-time have i studied and never will i plan to. I read too much and my nose is always into a book...my appearance is like Hermiones except that my eyes are a weird colour of Light Brown and Hazel. Of course our age differs but my personality is like Harry's too and i am always Determined and Stubborn. Once i put it into my head to do something, i will never give in and although I can be brave, never in the way of Harry, Hermione, Ron and all the others. Sometimes I am the opposite of Brave but there are not much times in which i can say i was either Brave OR cowardly so I am happy about that although I wish that someday i can be as brave as Harry!
Thankyou,
V.H
Ermm...well basically the first thing i ever did when i joined (whihc was probably in December) was get Sorted in the Sorting hat and like EVERY other sorting hat..the VTM one put me into Gryffindor!
Well i was definitely pleased and proud but now that all the Gryffindors have a common room, i am more than glad.
Seeing as a lot of the discussion is about Wormtail and Percy, I will say my view on the subject.
Wormtail was pure hearted when he first entered Hogwarts. The Sorting Hat did not sort him according to the future, but according to the present Wormtail or Peter as many call him.
We must not forget that Slughorn was a Slytherin but he was an innocent one and he did not do anything bad, and he was against the dark side. And there are many Slytherins who were evil but converted into good and brave people as time moved..(i cant specifically name one because although im racking my brains for an example, i keep forgetting but be assured that i will see to it soon.)
So anyhows Wormtail did not join the Dark Side out of love for Voldemort but because he knew he had no choice...it was what anyone except the brave would have done. Wormtail was a coward so it was expected that he would give in easily. Unfortunately, the Sorting Hat does not sort you into hwo you WILL be like, but how you ARE like and he was very good when he first started studying at Hogwarts.
Moving on to Percy, he did not side with the dark side but he favoured his Job and the Minister, to his family and he didnt come back to them because he was ashamed to admit that he was wrong!
About which character you are most like, I reply by saying "Hermione" and I probably will never change my mind about that. I must admit that the Smartness of Hermione can never be like mine because shes too clever and she studies too much. Admittedly I must say that my grades are not bad but Never in my life-time have i studied and never will i plan to. I read too much and my nose is always into a book...my appearance is like Hermiones except that my eyes are a weird colour of Light Brown and Hazel. Of course our age differs but my personality is like Harry's too and i am always Determined and Stubborn. Once i put it into my head to do something, i will never give in and although I can be brave, never in the way of Harry, Hermione, Ron and all the others. Sometimes I am the opposite of Brave but there are not much times in which i can say i was either Brave OR cowardly so I am happy about that although I wish that someday i can be as brave as Harry!
Thankyou,
V.H
Obviously, I'm a Gryffindor too.
The charactor I can most relate to is Hermione. I read for fun and I find school okay. Also, I look a bit like her too .
On the subject of our Gryffindor traitors: Wormtail will probably have some hidden trait that will be revealed later. I bet that he will defy Voldemort to repay Harry for letting him live. As for Percy...he doesn't turn back when he makes a choice adn he's very ambitious, but I would think he should be in Ravenclaw.
ginevra
The charactor I can most relate to is Hermione. I read for fun and I find school okay. Also, I look a bit like her too
.On the subject of our Gryffindor traitors: Wormtail will probably have some hidden trait that will be revealed later. I bet that he will defy Voldemort to repay Harry for letting him live. As for Percy...he doesn't turn back when he makes a choice adn he's very ambitious, but I would think he should be in Ravenclaw.
ginevra
Since there's been a bit of discussion on why Percy and Peter were in Gryffindor, I thought people might be interested in these threads:
Percy and Gryffindor- Why was he in Gryffindor?
and
Peter- What house was he in?
Percy and Gryffindor- Why was he in Gryffindor?
and
Peter- What house was he in?
I feel only a wee bit obligated to first post up in the Gryffindor Common room...because I'm a Gryffindor. 
I know...it's a shocker. 
Gracias Pix for those threads! I've been snooping around in 'em getting ideas and such (but of course I read yall's in here first).
Perce's situation can easily be lined up with the Gryffindor traits; with a family like the Weasley's, going against the tide to try and reach your own ambitions may take a selfish-type of courage, but it's still there. Also I noticed a strong streak of pride in several Gryffindors, they're not too humble those Gryffies with all their chivalrous deeds, Perce follows this pride which eventually leads to his ambition, no? Percy, personally, just wanted to reach his own goals, he wanted to make his place in the Wizarding World and unfortunately that meant dumping his family, which of course is the wrong thing to do in most situation, but as the third eldest brother and with four chill'uns behind him, he may have wanted to set an example, but at the same time set an example he say best fit for his younger siblings.
Ah, Peter dear... Truth be told I can't think up any excuse for him being in Gryffindor. Isn't betrayal the polar opposite of bravery or courage? It's revolting what he did to his friends when they were the only ones who ever had affection for the boy. I don't think what Peter harvested was ambition, it was just sick power-hunger that led him to Voldemort. Plus, doesn't the Sorting Hat sort you according to your own will? Like Dumbledore explained to Harry in CoS? Hm...
I don't think he deserves my attention, or this paragraph, but every good story must have a rotten egg...
Ah... What Gryffindor would I be? Heh... I'd say that fifth girl in Harry's year that's yet to be named by JKR. I'm inconspicuous and would like to remain so. Okay who's gullible enough to believe that? Nobody? That's what I thought. Hm... I'd be a hybrid McGonagall/Bill! Oxymoron mates! 
I honestly don't know...
I know...it's a shocker. Gracias Pix for those threads!
I've been snooping around in 'em getting ideas and such (but of course I read yall's in here first). Perce's situation can easily be lined up with the Gryffindor traits; with a family like the Weasley's, going against the tide to try and reach your own ambitions may take a selfish-type of courage, but it's still there. Also I noticed a strong streak of pride in several Gryffindors, they're not too humble those Gryffies with all their chivalrous deeds, Perce follows this pride which eventually leads to his ambition, no? Percy, personally, just wanted to reach his own goals, he wanted to make his place in the Wizarding World and unfortunately that meant dumping his family, which of course is the wrong thing to do in most situation, but as the third eldest brother and with four chill'uns behind him, he may have wanted to set an example, but at the same time set an example he say best fit for his younger siblings.
Ah, Peter dear... Truth be told I can't think up any excuse for him being in Gryffindor. Isn't betrayal the polar opposite of bravery or courage? It's revolting what he did to his friends when they were the only ones who ever had affection for the boy. I don't think what Peter harvested was ambition, it was just sick power-hunger that led him to Voldemort. Plus, doesn't the Sorting Hat sort you according to your own will? Like Dumbledore explained to Harry in CoS? Hm...
I don't think he deserves my attention, or this paragraph, but every good story must have a rotten egg...
Ah... What Gryffindor would I be? Heh... I'd say that fifth girl in Harry's year that's yet to be named by JKR. I'm inconspicuous and would like to remain so. Okay who's gullible enough to believe that? Nobody? That's what I thought.
Hm... I'd be a hybrid McGonagall/Bill! Oxymoron mates! I honestly don't know...
lol...so i hope no-one is against poor Wormtail. I really hope he will turn good in the last book..that bond thing can thave been there for nothing..
P.S Loads of people are like Hermione including me.hehe
Anyways i wish everyone a Happy Easter.
Thanks,
V.H
P.S Loads of people are like Hermione
including me.heheAnyways i wish everyone a Happy Easter.
Thanks,
V.H
That would be ideal, Dementor... how lovely it would be for Wormtail to realize the error of his ways and do all he can to thwart Voldemort's future plans... ideal, but I'm afraid we'll just have to wait and see. I personally don't have high hopes for Peter Pettigrew. For whatever reason there is, he's a Death Eater and so far we've seen him do nothing to help Harry or the Order...
Hey, I posted something like this elsewhere, but what if Wormtail is really more powerful than we think or have been led to believe? Though it doesn't change the fact that his actions led to more evil than good.
Perhaps there is a lot more to him, instead of what characteristics we've read about him already.
Perhaps there is a lot more to him, instead of what characteristics we've read about him already.
| QUOTE (El Barto @ Apr 16 2006, 01:49 AM) |
| what if Wormtail is really more powerful than we think or have been led to believe? Perhaps there is a lot more to him, instead of what characteristics we've read about him already. |
Heya,
Corijp, maybe thats the main reason he might turn good..J.k Rowling might mke an unexpected turn and twist around at us telling us that the poor little rat is innocent after all!
El Barto, Maybe what you say is right but why hide away all his strong characteristics when they could have helped him soo much?
He would have been able to stand up to people instead of beinga coward..but you are right he could be more powerful than we think he is and he may even be related to Voldy..or to James.
I was thinking..what if..while Merope was having LV..what if she really had twins and Voldy actually has a sibling? A brother or a sister?
Its unlikely but it MAY have happened and he may have gone into hiding...
Thanks,
V.H
Hey there Capricorn!Crashing our haven are we?
Hey there to all you proud Gryffindors!Sticking to the topic of how certain people like wormtail and percy etc. came to be in Gryffindor.I don't know if anyone can remember in the second movie near the end,harry was in DD's office talking to him and saying that the sorting hat said he should be in Slytherin as he possessed all the qualities of being in that house and how harry had wished to be in anything but that house and he was obviously placed in here!
Well,DD said something really important that might answer all your questions.He said that to be placed into a house it was the persons personal choice and what house they reall wanted to be in.If you think about it,wormtail isn't brave or anything a True Gryffindor is and he managed to make it in.My theory is that he wanted to be in that house as his friends were all in that house including sirius who also is a perfectly good example too.
Remember the whole of Sirius's family was in Slytherin, not only by their qualities but by also their choice.Sirius on the other hand made it into Gryffindor,which was a huge shock to his whole family.He made it into that house cos he wanted to...
So, thats what I think and I'm sticking with it! But seriously though,I think getting into the one of the houses is purely by choice and also a little bit of the qualities that one possesses and wormtail must have had something also to be in that house and there is no questioning sirius's qualities cos he fits the role of a true Gryffindor!
By for now...
Hey there to all you proud Gryffindors!Sticking to the topic of how certain people like wormtail and percy etc. came to be in Gryffindor.I don't know if anyone can remember in the second movie near the end,harry was in DD's office talking to him and saying that the sorting hat said he should be in Slytherin as he possessed all the qualities of being in that house and how harry had wished to be in anything but that house and he was obviously placed in here!
Well,DD said something really important that might answer all your questions.He said that to be placed into a house it was the persons personal choice and what house they reall wanted to be in.If you think about it,wormtail isn't brave or anything a True Gryffindor is and he managed to make it in.My theory is that he wanted to be in that house as his friends were all in that house including sirius who also is a perfectly good example too.
Remember the whole of Sirius's family was in Slytherin, not only by their qualities but by also their choice.Sirius on the other hand made it into Gryffindor,which was a huge shock to his whole family.He made it into that house cos he wanted to...
So, thats what I think and I'm sticking with it!
But seriously though,I think getting into the one of the houses is purely by choice and also a little bit of the qualities that one possesses and wormtail must have had something also to be in that house and there is no questioning sirius's qualities cos he fits the role of a true Gryffindor!By for now...
That was a good explanation luckyfish! It is true, it seems as though one has a choice as to which house they want to go to. Perhaps Wormtail simply did the same thing Harry did, and maybe something or some sort of experience fuelled his desire to be in Gryffindor like Harry had...or at least not being in Slytherin (Draco in there, Ron saying that evil people came from there...or was it something else?)
What about Hermione? I'm not saying she shouldn't be in Gryffindor but perhaps she's had too much of an involvement in recent affairs. Will she be targeted just like Harry and (possibly) Ron? Take for instance her involvement at the Ministry in book 5, her fighting in book 6, etc. Know what I mean?
What about Hermione? I'm not saying she shouldn't be in Gryffindor but perhaps she's had too much of an involvement in recent affairs. Will she be targeted just like Harry and (possibly) Ron? Take for instance her involvement at the Ministry in book 5, her fighting in book 6, etc. Know what I mean?
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Wormtail being just that - a worm.
Even Remus Lupin agree's, and we all know that on this site, what Lupin says goes. ()
Though he was wrong quite often, Sirius hit the nail on the head with his assessment of Wormtail. He was always hanging around with the biggest bully on the playground, and when James and Sirius stopped filling that role, he moved on and burned the bridges behind him.
Wormtail aspired to be Severus Snape, but definitely didn't have the panache that Snape does to pull it off.
At least that's how I see it.
Luckyfish made a good point about Sirius' wanting to be in Gryffindor so badly. Perhaps that's how people like Percy and Wormtail got in, too. But Sirius definitely has all of the Gryffindor traits, while Percy and Wormtail on the other end....
So here's my theory. And trust me, ya'll ain't gonna like it.
We all know how the Sorting Hat completely disses Hufflepuff with it's little line about how Helga 'took all the rest.' People just assume that Hufflepuff is the House that the people who don't have any of the good traits (like wisdom/knowledge, ambition/drive, bravery/courage, etc.)
But I think that the Hufflepuff's are actually a group that you have to be a Hufflepuff to be in.
I know you're probably scratching your heads, but briefly, I think that the 'Puff's are quite cliqueish. Not in an entirely bad way, but definitely cliqueish. Only their clique consists of their entire House.
Take, for example, Neville. Lots of people, most pre-Phoenix, wondered why Neville wasn't in the sort of catch-all Hufflepuff House. But if you think about the way that Hufflepuff's are, and their group driven social patterns, Neville would have been eaten alive. One of the bad things that comes with cliques is that if you're not in them, God help you. The entire House would've despised Neville for not joining in their group activities, helping other's, or accepting other's help. Neville was a loner.
Now obviously we know now that Neville is brave, and courageous, even if he's not quite as talented and admired as most Gryffindor's are.
But I think that the pre-Phoenix Neville is a good way to understand why people like Percy and Wormtail are in Gryffindor - Where else could they go?
Neither had the brains to make it in Ravenclaw.
Percy had the drive and ambition to make it in Slytherin, but he's just not...well, cool. Despite the brutish appearances of Crabbe, Goyle, Flint, and the rest of their Quidditch Team, I've a feeling that the Slytherin's are inifinitely cool. Wormtail wouldn't have made it, they wouldn't protect him like James and Sirius did. And if we agree that the kid has some ability to change the Sorting Hat's mind, it's entirely Percy-ish to want to be in the same House as his big brothers.
And certainly neither had the decency, morals, work-ethic, or social attitude to make it in Hufflepuff. They might have protected Wormtail like he wanted, maybe he'd have been better off, but they would never have tolerated his wanting to do so for the power.
As many good traits and admirable people are in Gryffindor, every house has their bad side. Some are more prominant than others (*hem* Slytherin *hem*) and others aren't - like the Gryffindor's. But it's there. Some people that just wouldn't make it in the other houses can grow up to be functional people through the Gryffindor atmosphere.
Who knows, maybe they'll learn chivalry and bravery from the "true Gryffindors" along the way.
Even Remus Lupin agree's, and we all know that on this site, what Lupin says goes. (
) Though he was wrong quite often, Sirius hit the nail on the head with his assessment of Wormtail. He was always hanging around with the biggest bully on the playground, and when James and Sirius stopped filling that role, he moved on and burned the bridges behind him.
Wormtail aspired to be Severus Snape, but definitely didn't have the panache that Snape does to pull it off.
At least that's how I see it.
Luckyfish made a good point about Sirius' wanting to be in Gryffindor so badly. Perhaps that's how people like Percy and Wormtail got in, too. But Sirius definitely has all of the Gryffindor traits, while Percy and Wormtail on the other end....
So here's my theory. And trust me, ya'll ain't gonna like it.
We all know how the Sorting Hat completely disses Hufflepuff with it's little line about how Helga 'took all the rest.' People just assume that Hufflepuff is the House that the people who don't have any of the good traits (like wisdom/knowledge, ambition/drive, bravery/courage, etc.)
But I think that the Hufflepuff's are actually a group that you have to be a Hufflepuff to be in.
I know you're probably scratching your heads, but briefly, I think that the 'Puff's are quite cliqueish. Not in an entirely bad way, but definitely cliqueish. Only their clique consists of their entire House.
Take, for example, Neville. Lots of people, most pre-Phoenix, wondered why Neville wasn't in the sort of catch-all Hufflepuff House. But if you think about the way that Hufflepuff's are, and their group driven social patterns, Neville would have been eaten alive. One of the bad things that comes with cliques is that if you're not in them, God help you. The entire House would've despised Neville for not joining in their group activities, helping other's, or accepting other's help. Neville was a loner.
Now obviously we know now that Neville is brave, and courageous, even if he's not quite as talented and admired as most Gryffindor's are.
But I think that the pre-Phoenix Neville is a good way to understand why people like Percy and Wormtail are in Gryffindor - Where else could they go?
Neither had the brains to make it in Ravenclaw.
Percy had the drive and ambition to make it in Slytherin, but he's just not...well, cool. Despite the brutish appearances of Crabbe, Goyle, Flint, and the rest of their Quidditch Team, I've a feeling that the Slytherin's are inifinitely cool. Wormtail wouldn't have made it, they wouldn't protect him like James and Sirius did. And if we agree that the kid has some ability to change the Sorting Hat's mind, it's entirely Percy-ish to want to be in the same House as his big brothers.
And certainly neither had the decency, morals, work-ethic, or social attitude to make it in Hufflepuff. They might have protected Wormtail like he wanted, maybe he'd have been better off, but they would never have tolerated his wanting to do so for the power.
As many good traits and admirable people are in Gryffindor, every house has their bad side. Some are more prominant than others (*hem* Slytherin *hem*) and others aren't - like the Gryffindor's. But it's there. Some people that just wouldn't make it in the other houses can grow up to be functional people through the Gryffindor atmosphere.
Who knows, maybe they'll learn chivalry and bravery from the "true Gryffindors" along the way.
Hello Gryffindorians! I am also a Gryffindor (duh!), and i see myself in the same boat as Hermione, because we are both intellegent way beyond our years, but instead of Ravenclaw, we were both put in dear old Gryffindor. I see myself exactly like Romilda Vane, who is in Gryffindor, because our personalities and our appearances mimic each other.
like luckyfish said, about placed purely by choice, i agree and disagree. what about the people with no preference, the ones that didnt really care, and all they wanted was to be sorted at all. Neville didnt really care about what house he wanted to be in, but since the popular prejudice of families being in the same house, Neville probably assumed that he would be in Gryffindor too, and decided that that would be the best house for him, despite his cowardly manner in some situations.
like luckyfish said, about placed purely by choice, i agree and disagree. what about the people with no preference, the ones that didnt really care, and all they wanted was to be sorted at all. Neville didnt really care about what house he wanted to be in, but since the popular prejudice of families being in the same house, Neville probably assumed that he would be in Gryffindor too, and decided that that would be the best house for him, despite his cowardly manner in some situations.
I too am a Gryffindor, so here are my two cents on the matter. As Dumbledore says, i is our choices that define who we truely are, much morre than our abilities. If Harry hadn't said anythink to the sorting hat, then he would have been sorted into Slytherin. Perhaps it's the same in Pettigrews case. The sorting hat does not have the full sweay in the sorting, i believe that he listens to peoples choices. As i think Sirius says, Wormtail always wanted to be around better and bigger people. Well from the exterior the biggest and best people are us Gryffindrs. So perhaps he knew that before he camer to Hogwarts, that an ugly, stupi, completely devoid of talent boy, would get picked on, a bit like Neville. Therefore, he asked, perhaps his most courageous deed, the sorting hat to put him there. The sorting hat sensing bravery in Peter, sorted him there.
Sorry, that sounded like a fanfic, but we don't really know what house he was in. That's one of those questions i'm dying to ask J.K.Rowling
Sorry, that sounded like a fanfic, but we don't really know what house he was in. That's one of those questions i'm dying to ask J.K.Rowling
Its good to be a gryffindor. My faves are all the Weasleys (minus Percy, the git) and everyone in Harry's dorm. they rock
gotta be the best... yay!
Hello fellow gryffindors!!!
gotta be the best... yay!
Hello fellow gryffindors!!!
Luckyfish, I do see your point in hour choices help along the sorting process; Harry chose to be in Gryffindor when the Sorting Hat suggested Slytherin, which is probably the most obvious example. I don't think it has everything to do with choice. We didn't get to see Sirius sorted, so we don't know exactly what the Sorting Hat told him. I think that Sirius just had more qualities belonging to that of a Gryffindor than a Slytherin. Remember, he opposed much of his family's views on quite a few subjects, and I think it's safe to say he loathed what his family stood for.
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QQS, I think your theory is brilliant. It does make a world of sense when you think of it in some aspects, but remember, there are exceptions to each rule. If I can play devil's advocate for a tiny moment (if I didn't entirely botch your theory); Justin Finch-Fletchy was a muggle born and he was sorted into Hufflepuff. Again, we don't know much else of his parentage or geneology, so it could be possible he does have some very distant relationship there, but I'm not entirely sure.... ah well... All in all though, well done!
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NickHilton, I think I'll second that!
No, no, you misunderstand me. I didn't mean you had to be an actualy descendant of Hufflepuff to be a 'Puff, just that you HAD to have those qualities to thrive in that House.
With Gryffindor, I think that they're pretty much willing to let you do your own thing as long as you don't lower the level of admiration given them by the other House's.
With Gryffindor, I think that they're pretty much willing to let you do your own thing as long as you don't lower the level of admiration given them by the other House's.
True, not everyone is loyal *cough*Peter*cough*.
Yes, not all Gryffindors have to be ideal, or the best, they just have to want to be in the house so bad and show their bravery. Wow, I'm definetly keeping all our spirits up
hehe. Nah...all the houses have great qualities.
Going on, I have a question. Do you think anyone in Gryffindor, in the series, would choose to be in a different house seeing that the Gryffindor house is sort of the one most doomed since Voldemort's arch enemy's in it, and a lot of people in that house have already been struck?
Yes, not all Gryffindors have to be ideal, or the best, they just have to want to be in the house so bad and show their bravery. Wow, I'm definetly keeping all our spirits up
hehe. Nah...all the houses have great qualities.Going on, I have a question. Do you think anyone in Gryffindor, in the series, would choose to be in a different house seeing that the Gryffindor house is sort of the one most doomed since Voldemort's arch enemy's in it, and a lot of people in that house have already been struck?
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Well a lot of people from all houses have been struck, Voldemort liked things from all four houses to turn into horcruxes, so I think that at the momment the hufflepuffs and ravenclaws are at quite a great risk. And also, they all chose to be in gryffendor, and they are (nearly) all brave so I think that they would stick thier ground. All the Gryffens I know would, anyway.
I think QQS has got it right about Percy and Peter. They really aren't great examples of bravery or chivalry, but they're not great examples of the other houses either.
When the hat sorts, it must sort according to character, according to fundamental stuff deep inside a person. Yes, Harry influenced the hat, but we've certainly seen that Harry has quite enough bravery and chivalry to legitimately be Gryffindor.
Percy on the other hand...Percy's got issues. Some have suggested that it was a brave thing to go against the grain and do things that disappoint his family, but I don't think it's that at all. If bravery were his motivating force, he wouldn't be so ashamed of his actions that he would cut ties with his family. They still love him (his parents do at least), so Percy isn't avoiding them because he'd be in any danger around them. No, he avoids them because of shame. Ambition has motivated Percy's action and given him plenty of reason to want to hide from his family. If Percy truly was chivlarous and brave as Gryffindors are supposed to be, yet still believed his actions to be the correct actions under the circumstances, he would have no reason to avoid his family.
For Percy though, rank makes right. Crouch and Scrimgeour both "outrank" Arthur, so their views must be right. In my mind, the only things that kept Percy from Slytherin is his famuly tradition and his determination to stick to rules--even when the rules are wrong.
By the way, it seems when people think about Gryffindors, they only think of bravery, but I believe Gryffindor to be a lot more than brave. Another trait that is mentioned in describing Gryffs, for example, is chivalry, as in nobility, courtesy, honor, gallantry. How do Gryffindors show these qualities in the books? What are some things that you do that demonstrate in your lives that demonstrate this characteristic (specifics if you can)? What other characteristics of Gryffindors to people tend to overlook?
When the hat sorts, it must sort according to character, according to fundamental stuff deep inside a person. Yes, Harry influenced the hat, but we've certainly seen that Harry has quite enough bravery and chivalry to legitimately be Gryffindor.
Percy on the other hand...Percy's got issues. Some have suggested that it was a brave thing to go against the grain and do things that disappoint his family, but I don't think it's that at all. If bravery were his motivating force, he wouldn't be so ashamed of his actions that he would cut ties with his family. They still love him (his parents do at least), so Percy isn't avoiding them because he'd be in any danger around them. No, he avoids them because of shame. Ambition has motivated Percy's action and given him plenty of reason to want to hide from his family. If Percy truly was chivlarous and brave as Gryffindors are supposed to be, yet still believed his actions to be the correct actions under the circumstances, he would have no reason to avoid his family.
For Percy though, rank makes right. Crouch and Scrimgeour both "outrank" Arthur, so their views must be right. In my mind, the only things that kept Percy from Slytherin is his famuly tradition and his determination to stick to rules--even when the rules are wrong.
By the way, it seems when people think about Gryffindors, they only think of bravery, but I believe Gryffindor to be a lot more than brave. Another trait that is mentioned in describing Gryffs, for example, is chivalry, as in nobility, courtesy, honor, gallantry. How do Gryffindors show these qualities in the books? What are some things that you do that demonstrate in your lives that demonstrate this characteristic (specifics if you can)? What other characteristics of Gryffindors to people tend to overlook?
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How do Gryffindors show these qualities in the books?
Gryffindors tend to be always wanting to help, and they dont really gossip that much (whereas, hufflepuff...) they usually live up to what they stand for, and they wear their hearts on their sleeves (Harry Potter, Neville Longbottom, Romilda Vane, Ginny Weasley, etc....)
What are some things that you do that demonstrate in your lives that demonstrate this characteristic (specifics if you can)?
As a Gryffindor, I try to respect authority, help those who cant help themselves, etc. Hey! do you know what? that sounds a bit like a 'Gryffindor' pledge. We should make one of those!
What other characteristics of Gryffindors to people tend to overlook?
They can be quite clingy (a la Lavender Brown), bossy (a la Hermione Granger), demanding (a la Romilda Vane), argumentative (a la Seamus Finnigan)
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| Going on, I have a question. Do you think anyone in Gryffindor, in the series, would choose to be in a different house seeing that the Gryffindor house is sort of the one most doomed since Voldemort's arch enemy's in it, and a lot of people in that house have already been struck? |
Not at all, mate. You would be cowardly if you thought as such therefore not suited for Gryffindor anyways. I don't think Voldemort just targets the Gryffindors either--it also the Hufflepuffs and Ravenclaws who are constantly being killed or tortured.
Very, very personally saying this since we seem to be condemning Perce as a Gryffie, I don't think we really will really get to know where the chap's true, bottom-line characteristics are. Not until he's face with a life-altering decision will he show colors. That's a personal opinion, because I'm optimistic about the guy, and I know most of yall disagree with me.
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I've said it in the Puffie CR, but I might as well yell it from the rooftops--pride. Gryffindors are constantly caving to their pride, I suppose it's because since it runs dangerously close to having honor and bravery...ect. I don't mean to flaunt this characteristic, being of this house myself, but it is there in the Gryffies' actions throughout the books, I just hope it doesn't get worst...
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| Gryffindors are constantly caving to their pride, I suppose it's because since it runs dangerously close to having honor and bravery...ect. I don't mean to flaunt this characteristic, being of this house myself, but it is there in the Gryffies' actions throughout the books, I just hope it doesn't get worst... |
I'd agree with that- I feel that there's a very close link between honour and pride, which are both something that the Gryffindors possess in abundance.
However unlike Honour, which I don't feel should be sacrificed, pride CAN and SHOULD be swollowed occasionally- and Harry in particular, but a lot of the characters in general have real trouble in taking blame, admitting their mistakes, making up after fight (Whoa, we've seen THAT one a lot
) etc. So instead it seems sometimes that they are so focused on being 'right' that they make stuff ups- little (like blaming Crookshanks for eating Scabbers) or bigger (like going to the MoM to 'save' Sirius).
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you know, I was afraid I would have botched your theory... don't mind me, I guess it's just lack of sleep and what not.
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Thought provoking questions here... Let's see... the first idea of chilvary that came to mind from the books is Hermione founding S.P.E.W. Hermione put a lot of research and heart into this cause and firmly believes that house elves deserve a better life. And as for honor, the best example I could give would be Harry sparing Wormtail's life when Sirius and Lupin were about to seek their revenge.
I think we've all done somethings in our lives that are worthy of honor. Whether it's giving up your seat on a train to an elderly man or woman, or allowing a mom with her three kids cut in line in front of you at the supermarket, or volunteering in your community, etc... honor doesn't have to be shown on a grand scale; the little things are often more memorable and more valuable.
Pixymajik, I have to agree with you though, pride is possibly the deadliest of sins belonging to a Gryffindor. It is both the essence that drives us all, yet it could possibly be our downfall.
Those were great questions!
Hey, what about the other characters that we haven't really read too much about them? Such as Seamus and Dean? I may have forgotten, but have they outwardly shown they're Gryffindor traits? Will they come into play later?
Well, this thread has gone pretty quiet. So let's try this: we've heard all about Gryffindor's strengths, and we've only briefly touched on what possible flaws they may have, i.e. pride, possibly stubbornness, perhaps a bit of ego... what do all think could be some others? and how do these character traits relate to you and your strengths?
I see...I guess my questions weren't good enough 
First the Hermione one and now the Dean/Seamus one...I'm just kidding I was trying to get people to think too 
Anywho...I think loyalty would be a trait the Gryffindors possess, at least to anyone who deserves it (which makes sense).
As far as how pride, stubborness, and an ego relate to me...
-I don't think I have an ego, but I could be wrong...
-I have pride in myself after a certain event in my life reinforced that concept...but I won't divulge into that here I also have pride in my family and my university, as well as loyalty if thats indeed a trait.
-I think we all can be stubborn at times, but I can't really think of a specific time. My astrology sign is a Taurus though, 'Strong and stubborn'---I think thats its description
First the Hermione one and now the Dean/Seamus one...I'm just kidding I was trying to get people to think too Anywho...I think loyalty would be a trait the Gryffindors possess, at least to anyone who deserves it (which makes sense).
As far as how pride, stubborness, and an ego relate to me...
-I don't think I have an ego, but I could be wrong...
-I have pride in myself after a certain event in my life reinforced that concept...but I won't divulge into that here
I also have pride in my family and my university, as well as loyalty if thats indeed a trait.-I think we all can be stubborn at times, but I can't really think of a specific time. My astrology sign is a Taurus though, 'Strong and stubborn'---I think thats its description
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| I see...I guess my questions weren't good enough First the Hermione one and now the Dean/Seamus one...I'm just kidding I was trying to get people to think too |
Teehee... Chris, I think we were posting at the same time...
Your questions were good ones...
Let's see, to answer your question, I'll take Seamus. In Order of the Pheonix, we saw the animosity between him and Harry and Seamus too, stuck to his guns and defended his mother's views. What about the Creevey brothers?
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| we've heard all about Gryffindor's strengths, and we've only briefly touched on what possible flaws they may have, i.e. pride, possibly stubbornness, perhaps a bit of ego... what do all think could be some others? and how do these character traits relate to you and your strengths? |
I think stubborness is boarderlined with 'determination', and it's just that fine line which turns a desirable trait into a negatively connotated one.
People generally see determination as being a good thing- it makes people reach their goals, not quit and get to the end.
So how is that different to Stubborness? Stubborn people stick to their viewpoint, won't quit and are 'determined' to get to the end....
The difference that I see is that determined is usually involving an external activity, while Stubborn is usually involving an internal belief. People don't like to think that their beliefs are incorrect (or flat out wrong
) and so they will cling to a particular argument and not let go long after everyone else has gotten bored and has reverted to the food fight out the back. I've got what I consider to be both an advantage and a disadvantage--- I'm often a fence sitter. The reason though that I'm a fence sitter isn't because I don't like making decisions, but more that I've become to accustomed to seeing the other person's point of view. While this has several negative traits to it (often CAN'T go one way or the other), one good thing that it has made me is flexible and definitely not stubborn. However in line with that, because I CAN usually see the other person's viewpoint, I get incredibly frustrated when they CAN'T see mine--- and then continue to flog the dead horse and try and ram their opinion down my throat. I can get incredibly stubborn then and will bring in every possible argument under the sun just to get them to stop talking
In regards to Ego and Pride, I think everyone has both of them at times- I've said this recently to a couple of people however part of the reason that I love Ice Hockey so much is because I can talk to people around here until I'm blue in the face and they still don't know any better (it's kinda like talking to me about football
) and I love that fact. Ice Hockey is something that I'm incredibly egocentric with, as it's one of the only things that I have that- around here- is just mine. Everyone needs something that is just theirs, that they don't have to share with everyone else in their house or who they come into contact with every day. I love having this thing that I don't have to share, so yes- I can be egocentric at times and talking to people about something that they just don't understand builds up that ego and makes me feel special- 'knowledgeable' (which is probably why some people like talking to me about football, or cars ).Pride on the other hand--- Like I said before, I'm a big believer in keeping honour but swolling pride. I think there are a lot of times, in which to make yourself a better person, you've got to step down- make a fool of yourself, admit that you don't know or that you are wrong. It keeps your honour in tact
hi to all the gryffindors!!
i'm glad to be one, since I read the book i always want to be one.
i love all the weasleys, specially ginny and the twins Fred and George.
My friends are the most important thing to me, i guess that makes me one Gryffindor.
i'm new in this forum and maybe i dont talk so much like another people here, it's because i have a very short english...
but that realy does not matter because i love to be a gryffindor! yeah!
if a make a mistake please tell me
i'm glad to be one, since I read the book i always want to be one.
i love all the weasleys, specially ginny and the twins Fred and George.
My friends are the most important thing to me, i guess that makes me one Gryffindor.
i'm new in this forum and maybe i dont talk so much like another people here, it's because i have a very short english...
but that realy does not matter because i love to be a gryffindor! yeah!
if a make a mistake please tell me
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Well, i will be very surprised if they ever show a significance to the 7th novel, but then again, J.K. Rowling is really good at surprising me {and i'm sure i'm not the only one}.
If the Creevy brothers were to show any Gryffindor traits, it would be honour. Something like their honor and loyalty to Harry would lead them to do something either helpful or destructful {this would be on accident of course}
but like i said, i will be very surprised if they turn up as much significance in the 7th book.
i've got another question. Now that the trio most likely won't be going to Hogwarts next year, do you think they'll ever feel a need to call on the D.A.(considering most of them are Gryffindors) for back-up?
Hey, ginny_loony, where are you from?
Hey guys--I have a question about the Creevey brothers--or maybe it just bugs me.
They are supposedly muggle-born. If so, why would Colin have such a hero-worshipping thing for Harry, going on so soon into his first year? He seems to know all about Harry. I guess I just think that a muggleborn wizard probably wouldn't know much history unless he's a bookworm like Hermione. I wonder if there was any real significance in making him a muggleborn, because his behavior seems unlikely to me.
Hey guys--I have a question about the Creevey brothers--or maybe it just bugs me.
They are supposedly muggle-born. If so, why would Colin have such a hero-worshipping thing for Harry, going on so soon into his first year? He seems to know all about Harry. I guess I just think that a muggleborn wizard probably wouldn't know much history unless he's a bookworm like Hermione. I wonder if there was any real significance in making him a muggleborn, because his behavior seems unlikely to me.
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| I love having this thing that I don't have to share, so yes- I can be egocentric at times and talking to people about something that they just don't understand builds up that ego and makes me feel special- 'knowledgeable' (which is probably why some people like talking to me about football, or cars ). |
Lol, that's so me! When I'm with my friends it's Harry Potter, here there are a lot of things I feel strongly about, that the majority of people will just never get!
And I like that. Being South African is one thing - ask Luckyfish It's just something inexplicable - a pride that won't make sense to anyone who isn't from here. I'm such a know-it-all when it comes to our country .Anyway, I've done a bit of sorting on the internet, and have been sorted into Gryffindor many times, so I guess I'm a Ravengryff. Or Gryffinclaw... Point is, I have a sneaky feeling that that is the whole idea - sorting is for the birds! Nah, I love it, but I just got the feeling that Jo has highlighted the dangers of division so many times through Dumbledore and the Sorting Hat's songs, that something about it will become important.
The Sorting Hat can only see who you are at one specific point in time. He can look at your character and mind-set at a certain moment, and sort you according to that. That is why choice is so important in sorting - it's part of who you are at that moment. But the Sorting Hat can never know what choices you will make in the future, and who you will become because of them. Wormtail might have had all the makings of a fine Gryffindor at the age of 11, but during his life at school, he made a few choices that changed him into a true Slytherin. Same with Percy.
Here's just a titbit I like to add in terms of Snape and Regulus Black. Would you guys agree, that IF Snape turned out good, and RAB turned out to be Regulus, they have shown remarkable Gryffindor qualities, despite being sorted into Slytherin at 11? Regulus gave his life to help thwart evil - that's courage and honour!
Snape, if he were good, had to kill the only man who ever believed in him, despite a dark and tragic past - doesn't that also take loads of courage? That's why he freaked out when Harry called him a coward...?
So anyway, I think that co-operation, unity and friendship between people of all types - smart, brave, loyal and cunning - will be a major thing in the last book.
[QUOTE]What about Creevey brothers?
Well they haven't a important paper in the other book, exept maybe in the Chamber of secrets. But maybe their loyality to Harry makes some difference in the next book. They always gave support Harry (For a example in the DA)
If they are Gryffindors they have bravery or something we don't now yet, and that can help Harry.
And finally for Aethonon i'm from Mexico.
Mexico loves Harry Potter too
hi!
again for Aethonon...
About your question of the Creevey brothers... they are muggleborn, and how they know all that about Harry?
For me that's simple. Hermione is muggleborn too, but just like you said she read about Harry, so, i think that Colin maybe read something about him, in his happiness he investigate about the magic world, and then Colin talked whit Dennis about all that...
You would be exited too... or not?
[Mod Edit] Hello I merged your consecutive posts, please use the edit button and check out the various links Albus provides, thanks.
Well they haven't a important paper in the other book, exept maybe in the Chamber of secrets. But maybe their loyality to Harry makes some difference in the next book. They always gave support Harry (For a example in the DA)
If they are Gryffindors they have bravery or something we don't now yet, and that can help Harry.
And finally for Aethonon i'm from Mexico.
Mexico loves Harry Potter too
hi!
again for Aethonon...
About your question of the Creevey brothers... they are muggleborn, and how they know all that about Harry?
For me that's simple. Hermione is muggleborn too, but just like you said she read about Harry, so, i think that Colin maybe read something about him, in his happiness he investigate about the magic world, and then Colin talked whit Dennis about all that...
You would be exited too... or not?
[Mod Edit] Hello I merged your consecutive posts, please use the edit button and check out the various links Albus provides, thanks.
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