Out of morbid curiousity, but would you be able to provide some of these quotes It's a side that I've never really noticed and I'd be interested in seeing how you came to that conclusion Thanks

I think in speaking generally of the Hufflepuffs, it does seem that they have been given their moment of glory. Maybe JKR believed that Ravenclaw was covered enough with Luna and Cho, however I really believe that Ravenclaw hasn't been given the focus as much as the other houses.

I scoured all the books for students in Ravenclaw and this is what I found;

Harry's year(in Ravenclaw, of course)
Terry Boot
Mandy Brocklehurst
Lisa Turpin
Padma Patil
Percy's year/4 years above Harry
Penelope Claerwater
One year above Harry
Cho Chang
3 years below Harry
Stewart Ackerly
Orla Quirke
1 year below Harry
Luna Lovegood
Unknown year
Anthony Goldstein
Michael Corner, but he attended th Yule Ball which means he was a fourth year or above or went with someone who was fourth year or above
Roger Davies

Now here's someting interesting:

A Miss Fawcett, of Ravenclaw, was sent to the hospital wing in GoF because she had sprouted a beard. It also mentions that the Fawcetts couldn't get tickets to the QWC when the Weasleys take a Portkey.

Later on, Snape is walking with Karkaroff and sends sparks into a bush, saying, "Ten points from Hufflepuff, Fawcett!" and it says a girl runs out.

So is she in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff? Does she have a twin?

Now that Fawcett line is indeed interesting. I will definitely have to read that. I think you may have missed a Ravenclaw above Harry: Marietta. I don't remember if it was explicitly stated that she was a Ravenclaw, but I am fairly certain that she was.

Pixy, you are asking a lot. I do not have my book with me right now, but later this evening I will try to find a few of them.

i think somewhere in OoP or GoF it was mentioned that both lily and james were from gryffindor but i could be wrong. as for dumbledore thats quite and interesting question... i always seemed to think he felt like a hufflepuff person to me. i never thought he could be gryffindor because he's never foolish or proud or brave, just confident. and i'd like to think he was a ravenclaw because he's so clever but he focus seemes to be on the people rather than the education.

in one of the later books (i think it could have been OoP) theres an offhand mention of bitter rivalry between slitherin and gryffindor, and hufflepuff and ravenclaw. now i can understand why there is rivalry between slitherin and gryffindor. gryffindors are proud because they are brave and dislike how slitherin are sneaky. slitherins are proud because they achieve things through ingenuity and think gryffindors are foolish. but i can't quite figure out how there can be rivalry between ravenclaw and hufflepuff...

After the Burial: Yes, I didn't put Marietta in because it doesn't say that she is a Ravenclaw, just that she is Cho's friend.

Neddy Longbottom: Yes, you're right there was some rivalry between Rowena and Helga, but they friends before that. I'm working on a fanfic which explains all about how Hogwarts was made.

Judging upon what Burial has said in Pixy's quote of Burial's post up above, I will have to disagree that Harry was jealous, solely because he was a Hufflepuff. I think he was jealous, because, he didnt have a chance to prove that he was better than Diggory, at Quidditch, from the happenings of PoA. Harry was the one who fell off his broom, and Diggory caught the snitch. This gave both Diggory, and Hufflepuffs, a bit of glory. It was not the right kind of glory, for, the only reason they won, was because, creatures more evil than any sinful person, was preying upon Harry's weakness from his past. Im speaking of the Dementor attack on the quidditch field, which made Harry lose the match for Gryffindore, and sealed a victory for Hufflepuff. It was a false victory, and Harry knew it, but the real reason he is so jealous, isnt because of the events that happened in PoA, but some comments made by Amos Diggory in GoF. Just read over the parts when they were about to go to the World Quidditch Championships. I know after reading that part, I myself, even felt like jumping on Mr. Diggory, and causing some physical pain to his face. Well, I think that is all for now. Oh also, this dont really have much to do with Ravenclaw, but I wanted to point out that, no matter what house Diggory was in, Harry would still feel the same way about him.

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

Yes I agree with prince_halfblood_22 that Amos Diggory did say some harsh things as if everyone had to be in competition with Harry!! And I agree that the only reason Hufflepuff won the Quidditch match against Griffindor was because Harry fell off his broom!! So I don't even now why Hufflepuff won in my opinion there should have been a rematch because it's not really fair if the dementors come in and take a certain person off thier broom!!

prince, I only meant that part of what Harry felt was due to being slighted by a lesser house. It was by far a minimal feeling and one that he probably dismissed upon thinking it. Even so, I think that the thought passed through his mind. Since I have rambled enough, I am dropping the topic in favor of more fun converstation.

Pixy, I re-read the passages. Most of them were said by Ron, without Harry making any objections. Closer reading makes me think I read too much into it.

I'd have to disagree with this. While we know that Gryffindor had a crack-hot team that year, I think far to much emphasis was put onto the skills of the team and that they had a seeker who hadn't lost a game.

But if you take into factor the storm, the fact that it was said that Harry being lighter would be pushed around more (while Cedric being more solid would be more supported) and even Harry requiring to put a spell on his glasses just to see, I think that in terms of seekers, they would have been pretty equal. Of course, one of them might have caught the snitch, and the chasers for the other team had scored more goals.

While there were a few close calls, I think that they really only added excitment for the reader. Of course it's impossible to do a 'redo' match, but I really don't think that there's anything to say that Cedric wouldn't have beaten out Harry again. It's more the issue that Harry is the hero, so of course we as the readers would be cheering for him.

Well i have been sorted into ravenclaw, I am currently awaiting my animagus results and whose pet I am. Anyway, I dont think I relate to anyone in the house, but I do think I have all of the qualities, not to be braggy. Oh well, I like veryone else, am dying for the last book and dreading it at the same time.

Well Pixymajik I do agree that you had a point but the dementors only went for Harry no one else so that means it isn't really fair it would have been the exact same situation if any other player from either team the match should have been played again to be fair!!

If fairness is the issue, you must accept what happened. Hufflepuff did not bring the dementors onto the pitch to attack Harry. Why should they be penalized?

Also, didn't Cedric catch the snitch right afterwards? He caught the snitch before he realized Harry had fallen. Then he wanted the match restarted. If Cedric was that close, there is a chance that he would have beaten Harry anyhow. As Pixy said, Cedric was heavier and would fly better in the storm.

I am proud to announce that I have been sorted into the almighty Ravenclaw House!

I was sorted a while ago, but I wasn't sure what to post in this thread, but I'd thought I'd just introduce myself.

I desperately wanted to be in Gryffindor because well it's the most famous house and most of all our favourite characters are in there. But now I am thankful that I'm in Ravenclaw, as it is the house I truly belong in.
I relate to Luna the most... I'm also a dreamer and sometimes wacky... though I don't have a weird dress sense, we have similarities in looks..
I like Luna, although she can be odd, but I think she can be a true friend and very helpful as she is wise.

Errr I don't know what else to say! lol
I like Ravenclaws House colors... Blue and bronze, right? I haven't really seen any bronze, mainly blue and white... There is bronze on the badge though, but not on the school clothes.. or is there?

I see some people (not particularly Ravenclaws) don't like Cho Chang. Well I think she's okay. hehe I just didn't like the part where she got all soppy and upset when Harry was supposed to meet Hermione somewhere on Valentines day or something down that line (can't remember clearly...)

Who's our house ghost again? Just a question...

Catch y'all fellow house mates later!
<------NOT! Ravenclaws are clever

Welcome Miss Dobby and Hermy One! Yeah, I thought Gryffindor was the house I wanted but Ravenclaw is much better. Knowledge is Power!!

Hey, Slughorn agreed with that. He thought he was powerful for WHO he knew and not necesarily what he knew.

Our house guest is the Grey Lady, acording to some of the posts here.

As far as Harry and Cedric and the Dementors and the match.... In the movie the other seeker got struck by lightning and fell back. Harry watched him for a minute then went on. The dementors closed in and then He fell.

I didn't ever hold much in the movies, thinking they were more fluff than true meaning, until I saw JKR interviewed in the extras after PoA (Ithink). She was saying that they had to cut things and she had to decide what was not essential to the plot. She also said that the director had added things that were foreshadowing to future events (without him knowing). Could Cedric falling be a foreshadowing??????

Harry can't win them all. If he did it would be boring. He is not a super hero. Just a boy with extra ordinary abilities.

Hello, I just thought, Id pop back in here again. Also, I would like to add to my comments from above, on Diggory, and Harry. I think that the PoA match with Hufflepuff, wasnt the only reason for Harrys jealousy. You, see, I read GoF again, and seen a part where, alst of the Gryffindores, wondered what house would be picked from the GoF. When, they learn that Diggory was planning on putting his name in, I remember Harry, Ron, Hermione, and even the Weasley Twin's comments about Diggory. They seem to see him as a pretty boy, and not a fighting courageous, sort of role model, which the Hogwarts Champion should be. Also, I think that Harry seems to have even more cause for animosity, early in the game. See, eveyone seems to think that he put his name in the Goblet, and in turn, the Hufflepuffs seem to be more distant towards him, and most of the rest of the school kind of shuns him, and think that Harry is doomed in the Tournament, while Diggory, is a bit revered and looked at as worthy and able to complete the tasks. It of course, doesnt help, when you have Slytherins breathing down the back of your neck, waiting to make a joke out of every single mishap that you make, which is what they did to Harry. You dont see them doing that to Diggory now, do you? Harry, has his moral, and his self esteem torn from him. Even Dumbledore accused Harry for putting his name in the Goblet at first, that is until he used legilimency, and knew that Harry had not done such a thing. Just think, the only glory Harry gets, is from his own house, that must hurt in a way, because, he wanted to be the one, who gave the whole school more glory. Not some Hufflepuff. Sorry if i seem a bit prejudice of hufflepuffs, but I am not, I am only looking to every possible emotion that Harry could be feeling in all these events, of Diggory getting the glory, and the view that Harry may secretly have against Diggory.

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

Prince, long time no see. I say that here since this is the first post I have seen of yours for some time. Welcome to the forums new Ravenclaws. I, myself, am a Gryffindor. On behalf of my house, I cordially invite you to partake in our discussions in the Gryffindor House Thread.

Hermy One, I absolutely love your name. I am more than a little shocked that no one had it before now. I admit that I was one of the foolish who thought that was how Hermione's name was pronounced (please understand that I live in the middle of North America...my knowledge of British anything was limited until I met some Brits at the airbase).

Anywho, I wanted to relate a theory that one of my non-VTM friends had. I thought his facts were almost nonexistent, but it provides for some dicussion. He is convinced that Voldemort made Ravenclaw's wand into a horcrux. The horcrux being a Ravenclaw object has some merits. We have discussed that at length in this and other threads. So, what do you think are the odds that Voldemort was able to get his hands one of the founders wands (and Ravenclaw's in particular)?

It's really only in the movie that the Dementors 'went for Harry'. In the books there is nothing to suggest that they were targeting him. It's more the fact that the whole thing is from Harry's point of view and Harry is so drastically affected by the dementors.





I agree with this completely. If Hufflepuff somehow had some involvement, then there'd be reason in looking into a rematch or something. But they didn't force the dementors to be there. They didn't make Harry fall. It's not Cedric's fault that Harry has had memories that affect him like other people don't have. Cedric was showing pretty good character by requesting a rematch to begin with. He didn't have to do that. He could have just said 'not my problem', but he obviously realised that there was something about the Dementors being there that caused Harry to fall.






I'm really not sure about this one. I believe that there would be something of Ravenclaw's that is a horcrux, but I don't think it's a wand. There really hasn't been much revealed about Ravenclaw related possessions, however I think if Voldemort had access to a wand- any wand- then there wouldn't be all of the hype created about Voldemort and Harry's wands coming together. I realise the whole speal about a wand working best for their owner, but at the same time, it's been pretty heavily focused on Voldemort's wand (could that be a more likely Horcrux?) that I can't see another wand being added into the mix

I agree with you that there is too much about LVs wand. Unless of course it is hidden someplace, like the locket. However, I don't think JKR would add something knew like that. I think the other horcrux(s) will be something we already know about.

LVs wand being a horcrux? No, it is too likely to get damaged. WEll, maybe his ego is too great to think his wand could get damaged but there are too many ways he can drop it or have it taken away. It seems unlikely.

Being honest I have to say that I don't really believe that either. But I do think that if there was going to be a wand horcrux, it would be his as opposed to someone elses--- unless maybe he could get his hands on Harry's now

The Hufflepuff cup wasn't introduced until HBP, so it's possible that anything of Ravenclaws won't even get brought up until Book 7- I really can't think of anything specific that has been mentioned about belonging to Ravenclaw that it could be?

I just have a question about that...

Do most of you agree or have a feeling that whatever it is of Ravenclaws will involve it having claws or something to that extent on the object? Just curious, I don't have a clue what it could be either. For some reason people were saying that it was a tiarra but I don't remember one being mentioned in the books. Also, the Mirror of Eirsed has claws, but I don't think thats one either.

I think El Verte Veritas looked into this after I mentioned that Dorcas Meadows and her entire family were killed by Voldemort (its mentioned in the fifth book). El Verte Veritas said that the Meadows family crest has claws on it. I never verified that myself. Does anyone have any ideas about that?

I googled Meadows family crest and here is the link. I swear the birds on the crest look like geese. Look closely at the one on top. It has yellow webbed feet. (This is very interesting to me since my animagus is a Roman goose).

I don't see claws.

I hope that if a Ravenclaw item is described it will be a little more flattering that claws. I do like the Mirror of Erised ides though. It would be an easy way to find horcruxes, if Harry can find it again. Was that what Malfoy was using to try to fix the 2 way closet? Is it in the room of requirement?

Ah, El Barto, long time no see old mate!! Now as for your question, I think it was I that has brought this idea into view. I remember saying it in a Horcrux thread though. Maybe the Tiara that Harry put on that statue, that sits on a small cabinet, that has the HBP's potions book in it, is really one of Rowenda's possessions? I surely came to this conclusion. Now, for LV making his wand into a horcrux, it doesnt seem possible. If he would use an object as a horcrux other than a Hogwarts Founder's possession, then I would think that he would pick, maybe Dumbledore's wand, because, he is most fearful of Dumbledore. Not only this, but, also, he was LV's greatest enemy. Also, I think that LV, sees Dumbledore, as just as, if not more, powerful than the Hogwarts founders.

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

Hello every body

I've been sorted here in Ravenclaw house

I thought if I got sorted I might be in one of two houses Ravenclaw or Slytherin

me myself prefer Ravenclaw



actually I've been reading through this thread and there is a mater I'de love to say my opinion in it

it's about when Cedric got the snitch

I think the Hufflepuff won fair

simply because the dementors where there and everybody felt them but it was harry that was affected differently so it's not the Hufflepuffs fault

it was only a bad timing for them to appear


any way the important thing is that harry didn't got hurt in this



before I finish this post I'd love to say that I'm really glad to be sorted in this house Ravenclaw

pardon my bad English
I know it is horrible but I'm trying to improve it

Beater - well the best way to improve your English is to use it, so I'm glad you found this site and are able to join us here at Ravenclaw! Welcome!

I think I need to read through HBP again, and see what this tiara is that we are talking about. Note to self: read through entire series looking for incongruous objects that could have belonged to Rowena Ravenclaw.

Welcome Beater!! We are glad to have you. SpinJam is right. The best way to get good at something is practice, practice, practice. I am a teacher of English as a Second Language and speak a few languages myself - nothing well- so I understand.

I will have to read about this Tiara also. I vaguely remember something about it. Questions come to mind though.

Why would there be a Tiara in the potions classroom?Not there it's in the RoR!
If it was Slughorns? Why? Not Slughorns.
If it was Snapes -oh the mental images are way too funny!!!!- again Why? Not Snapes either,

To have a founder's item jusy lying around sees so very strange. However El Barto started a thread about JKR having a dream about a horcrux being hidden behind a brick in a fireplace and her being Harry and the narrator a the same time.....could the tiara just be lying around like that? In plain sight?

Cris

I just want to say that I know how you feel. I`m trying to improve my English too.
And hopefully it will become easier with time!!!

Dea

I believe the tiara in question was the one in the RoR when Harry was scrambling for a place to hide his potions book. He placed it on...something so that he'd be able to spot where he had put it. Least, that's what I recall of the tiara. I think it's probably worth a look at all the little objects that have been nonchalantly mentioned throughout the series. One of them may be important. Heck, in Grimmauld place, an old locket was mentioned and all the sudden it was at the forefront of the theories for horcruxes after book 6. Details always deserve a careful eye.

could someone remind me with tiara are you talking about I just can`t remember and i don`t have HBP with me at the time.

Thanks

Sure thing Rebicka. The Tiara was set upon an old statues head, and and the statue was sitting atop a cabinet. The HBP old potions book was hidden inside the cabinet. This happens in the Sectumsempra chapter in HBP. You know, now that I think on it, that cabinet may have been the one that Draco was trying to repair. I am not sure on this though, since Jo never goes into great details about the broken down vanishing cabinet. If anyone can find a quote where Jo has went into detail about it, then please send me PM saying where, and I shall read into it. All of this happens in the Room of Requirements.

Thanks,

~~~Prince~~~

I just read the chapter in HBP. It was not the broken cabinet. Harry went by the broken cabinet and opened an old acid scarred cupboard. He moved an old bust of a wizad from a crate to the top of the cupboard and put an old wig and tarnished tiara on top so that he could find the cupboard again.

That was the mention of it. There was also mention of winged catapults, fanged frisbees, thousands of books, potions, jewels, cloaks, 'what looked like broken dragons eggs', hats, dead animals, a stuffed troll, lots of broken furniture, old rusting swords 'and a heavey, bloodstained axe'.

The only things here I would consider viable would be the tiara, wig, bust, stuffed troll, and the axe. They got the most attention. the myriad of otherthings were mere mentions and background.

The axe is interesting. How did DD kill the wizard?

Broken dragon eggs? How did those get there? Hagrid...Charlie...hmm.

What makes you think that Dumbledore used this axe to kill someone? It doesn't say that does it? I think it would be interesting to know who got the chop from that axe, but I don't think it would be anything relevant. Unless it was Nearly Headless Nick's axe. But why would that be in Hogwarts?

I don't really think any of those objects are particulary important sounding. Jewels and rusty swords...Voldemort surely would have taken better care of his horcruxes right? I ahve no idea what the Ravenclaw horcrux could be. Maybe it will be a Crumple-Horned Snorkack.

It was just a teaser to promote conversation. Worked didn't it

Why is the Tiara more likely than the axe? Perhaps the axe belonged to the Bloody Baron.

My point was more the single items were more like than the myriad of books, jewels or broken furniture.

The question of whether or not the tiara would be a horcrux is interesting. I personally do not think that it is one. For important events, items, etc. in the books, JK has never recycled . She uses the idea once. There was only one mention of a locket. There was only one mention of the wands being brothers. Any important piece of information is hidden and not repeated. If you continually bring it up, it becomes too obvious.

How does this relate to the tiara? It is nothing specific, but Molly offers Fleur the use of a relative's goblin-made tiara for the wedding. Mentioning a tiara (any tiara) twice in the same books seems to make it seem more noticeable. Particularly when either one could have been written in as something else. A neckalace for Fleur or a funny hat for the Room of Requirement would both have served as well.

Hey everybody! I just want to say how I'm super excited to be in Ravenclaw and also to introduce myself to you new and potential friends and house mates! So I'll be on more but for now hey!

<3 Kirsten

Do you mean the appearance of the current day item? Because the locket was prominent in the whole Gaunt information. The locket in Gimauld place was only mentioned once in a very offhand way. Listed in a bunch of stuff cleaned out of Grimauld Place much like the tiara was mentioned in the list of things in the RoR.

The Tiara has never been mentioned before the blurb about the RoR. But the mention of tiaras in other areas shows that it is something witches wear on special occasions. JKR says we will find out more about the teachers' personal lives. Perhaps we will liearn about Rowena's wedding and the fact she wore a tiara. Perhaps there is a tradition for Hogwarts teachers (females) to wear it.

Not much has been brought up about Rowena's sutff. It has been mentioned that she was fair to look at. That is why some people would think the tiara could be hers. A mirror could be hers (although it is highly doubtful it would be the Mirror of Erised). Have we heard mention of mirrors that would work?

What else would a very smart, goodlooking woman hold precious? Books? Notebooks? Jewelry?

hi, well i would like to say i am new to Ravenclaw and i am not very good with english so im sorry if i do a mistake and i would like to ask what do you do in this room i am rather lost when you guys are talking about different things i am rather confused so could you please help me




thanks: Justin

Welcome Kristen Ann!! We look forward to chatting around the fire in the common room with you!!

specialis-revelio, Here we just discuss things, mostly Harry Potter, like we were sitting around the common room in the overstuffed armchairs, by the fire.

There is nothing specific we need to discuss. A lot of times it is about what we think the horcrux is going to be, what item of Rowena Ravenclaw could LV have found and used. For that matter, what item of Godric Gryffindors also.

Just out of curiosity, what is your home languge? There are several people here who speak languages other than English. I am an English as a second language teacher and I speak Spanish fairly well. I understand a few words of some other languages also.

Again Welcome.
Cris

Hello fellow Ravies!

Hey Cris (mind if I call you that?), you're a teacher of second language English? That's awesome! No seriously, I'm a second language speaker myself, and my favourite teachers were my English teachers. If I feel like changing the course of my life some day, I think I'll train up as an English teacher and invade rural South Africa.



Hmm... After years of being taught I am special for being me, I'm going to try to answer this question. Books and notebooks sound good. If Rowena was a wise woman, perhaps physical appearance didn't count that much with her? (Especially when one keeps JK Rowling's comments about appearance in mind). As mirrors are objects of vanity (sort of), I doubt her token object would be one.

Hmm. The sword fits the bravery of Gryffindor, the cup could be a symbol of Hufflepuff hospitality. The locket - hmm, vanity? The ancestral pride of Slytherins?

So I would like it very much if the Ravenclaw object had some connection with wisdom or wit. A tiara would make sense, I think. It's a very feminine object, and if it is used for weddings, it celebrates the union of er, witch and wizard. Which, hopefully, is equal to love - the greatest wisdom of all. How's that for a long shot?

I'd love to learn more about Rowena. Of all the founders, she reminds of the ancient Roman deities the most. (Roman, because I like the Romans. But Greek is fine too... )

I'm leaving my two cents here...The locket is something precious, jealously worn on the heart, and only its possessor knows its hidden treasures. This could point to the pride of Slytherin, as Laurette pointed out, but also to the mysteric kind of knowledge that Slytherins are famous for.

Slytherins and Ravenclaws share a passion for knowledge in my opinion and a similar ambition...I imagine the Ravenclaw object as a magnifying glass or a spyglass, very precious, as a symbol of Ravenclaw's ambition to know everything and see everything in a clearer way than the other people.

Who knows why, illogically maybe I had also imagined the object being a pen, like a phoenix or peacock magic qwill, or a bookmark made by fairies or something...

Yes, Cris is fine.

I may not fit the bill in the looks department but I am a Ravenclaw so I do fit it in the brains department. Soooooooo, I asked myself what would be valueable to me. My brain. Isn't that an interesting thought. A brain. Where can we find a brain? Just ask Ron

What else might be of importance? A desk? A quill, perhaps a golden quill or a phoenix feathered quill? An ink pot? Have any of these things been mentioned?

Clara, That is so funny. I was just about to post when I scrolled down and saw that you had posted about the quill too just as I was going too. I don't think it is illogical. I like your magnifying class idea also.

As far as the ESL thing. I fell into this job backwards. I always envisioned myself teaching Spanish. God gave me an opportunity to teach ESL and here I am. I am certified to teach Gifted and Tallented also but I choose to stay with my kids. I love it. I would recommend it to anyone who wants to make a difference in peoples lives.

Cris

That's excellent, Clara! My brother and I were just talking about this, and he mentioned a telescope. I like both ideas, because it symbolises the search for knowledge - one near, one far. And, believe it or not, he suggested a quill too. I think I may have said something similar previously in this thread, but it could have been somewhere else too. Personally, I love the quill idea!

Being able to write our thoughts down has really been absolutely instrumental to our progress. According to my father (a historian), pre-history turned into history with the invention of writing. Quills are very graceful objects too, somehow. (And I'm not talking about Gilderoy Lockhart's peacock one). They're nice and old-school. Honest. They have a sense of commitment about them - you can't backspace or erase what you've written. You write carefully, because it's a delicate operation. Precise, mindful. You have to be sure about what you're writing, and yet the style is flowing and graceful. Natural too, because you put something of yourself into everything you write down with a quill. They've got an easy, slow, and natural sort of wisdom that I like a lot!

Tangent, sorry. Bottom line, I like a quill as the symbol of Ravenclaw.

I think we are missing a fairly important point in the HP series, that could be a link to what object Voldemort could have used for a horcrux from Rowenda Ravenclaw. We must look into all the meanest details here. I am thinking back, and remembering what people are most like each of the Hogwarts Founders. Ill take a few students into account. Neville, I see him, as being just like Cedric, and Cedric was a Hufflepuff. Harry, he seems more like Dumbledore, the more we progress through the series< Brave, quick witted, patient>. Ginny I have not put a finger upon yet, but she seems to be much like Harry. Ron is the same way. Now, I come upon the point as which I have hinted towards. Hermione....much like Rowenda. She is intelligent, witty, and pretty. Her favorite, and most cherrished objects where mentioned in HBP, where the first potions lesson with Slughorn was mentioned. She tells the class that when she smells Amorentia she smells, freshly mowen grass, something that she doesnt mention out loud, and a roll of parchment. If my memory serves me correctly, parchment is mearly another word for paper. So, if I am correct in assuming that she also has an adoration for books, as we do see her reading an aweful lot in the series. If Hermione, the only student I can think of most like Rowenda, adores paper, and books, then I do think that Rowenda's most cherrished and most powerful object is indeed a book. Not just anybook, but a book which introduces some of the most power spells known to the wizarding world< once unveiled>. Well, I have written far too much. I wish to see how you all oppinionate upon this. Feel free to PM any further questions.

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

Since we all love books it seems quite fitting. I thought of something like that but it seems so fragile. The other items are metal and lasting. A book is much more likely to be destroyed. Although the library is full of very old books. It is a good possibility, hidden in the rare book collection....

I like the way you came to that. Hermione is a good modern version of Rowena.

This seems a bit odd saying this, but thank you for your comments on my last post Professor. Just reread the sentence prior and you should seem the humor from which I am bringing into the spotlight. Also, there is more to my theory, I just wanted to see how it would sound to others before I expanded upon it. Many are thinking that Voldemort used objects that were close to him or his victims, as horcruxes. I do not agree with this, for, Dumbledore said, that Voldemort collected "trophies". I find that most people do not value their sports trophies, therefore, I see a flaw in this wording. Trophies are supposed to be valued by all who participate in the acquirement of such an object. So, now, say, that most or all of Voldemort's horcruxes are, and will be things taken away from others, and that no one else besides himself knows the true extent of how he got those objects. This is relevant because, maybe he may have taken the object in question from a direct heir of Rowenda's. Much like he did when he took the Goblet of Helga's, and the Necklace of Slytherin's. Yes, I know the locket wasn't "directly" stolen from the Gaunts, but he certainly did steal it away like he did with Helga's Goblet. Have any of you actually wondered why and how Merope Gaunt died, and why she died while pregnant with Voldemort? I have, and I have come to some new conclusions. We know that Voldemort is feared so much, that people can't even say his name. Maybe he can tap into people's consciece, much like Harry was able to do so when he seen Mr. Weasley's snake attack? Why would this be relevent to our subject. Why, is the answer to all things unknown. This is my theory for this question though. It is believed that when Voldemort attacked Harry when he was a babe, he infused some of his own powers within Harry. This is evident from the scar on Harry's head. So, how does this relate back to Merope's death during the pregancy? It is simple, Voldemort fed off of her life, her very soul, so to speak, and was nurished in the most evil way by the oldest magic in time. He was like a parasite sapping away Merope's life every minute she was pregant with Voldemort. He is in all ways, evil, and wil stop at nothing to procure what he wants. Therefore, now we must ask, how did he get Rowenda's Spellbook? This I would not know, unless I am correct with my whole theory about the last unknown horcrux, and Jo wrote it into her text. The real question is, where would this so called Spellbook be located with in the places that have already been mentioned by Jo. Not mentioned into great detail, only, vaguely. Wow, I written alot, I shall expand when I see how you all view my theories.

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

I don’t know about the whole, LV feeding off his mother en utero. There seems to be a whole nature vs. nurture theme going on in the books. For example, LV, Harry and Neville all were parentless almost at birth. They were all taken in and raised. How did they handle their situations and develop as a result of their situations.

LV could have been good, not all residence of an orphanage go bad. It really hurt Tom that his mother died when she could have saved them both with magic.

Harry, given how he was treated at the Dursley’s could have gone VERY bad. Harry, once he found out his mother died for him was forever changed.

Neville, given his Gran’s severity and his uncle’s teasing could have gone bad too. Neville always knew that his parents died as a result of magic and wanted no part in it.

DD talks about how circumstance help mold a person but that there are other things that help in the process. Not in so many words….

I think that Merope just died of a broken heart and spirit. She put all her hope in her love for Tom Sr. She figured he would fall in love with her too after he spent time with her and she stopped using her magic to keep him. When he didn’t it ruined what little self-confidence she had left, broke her will. Magic had destroyed her dreams. She would not use magic again. She had no money, no way to make money (without magic) her only prospect would be to go home to her awful father and brother and subject herself to a lifetime of torture. She would not subject her child to that. She was so depressed by the condition of her life at this point that she could not force herself to live, even for the baby. At the very least she went someplace to have him that would save him from dying with his mother. That was the only way she could save him. Keep him away from her awful existence as a Gaunt.

Wow, that was depressing. Sorry
Cris

I agree with Cris's Merope theory, it strikes me as very fitting of Rowling to be very dramatic about Voldemort's past the same as Harry's traumatic past. It ties them together and makes LV's evil seem so much more malicious and crazy.
I also think that the Horcrux for our house is a spellbook, but I believe it is one that Rowena devised herself. What could be more fiitting of the most intelligent house founder than a spellbook filled with spells that she created on her own?

SilvaraAnlcalimo, Thanks for the vote!

I like the spell book also.

Does anyone know what Rowena's class or specialty was? I'm sure it has been mentioned someplace but I can't remember. Was it charms, transfiguration, herbology, potions....

thanks
Cris

I also am wary in concluding Voldemort was completely evil before birth. I am not willing to believe that any person is born with their destiny decided for them by DNA. If your DNA will decide your path in life, you have no real choices in life. I cannot live my life believing in this and I don't think that JK does either.

Merope was raised as scum--hated by her family for what she wasn't. Harry was hated for what he was.Ron and Hermione grew up in loving happy homes. All grew up into good people (more or less). Merope's entire family were scum. As was Voldemort's. But they lived drastically different lives. The point I am trying to make is that those who lived different lives can become similar people and make the same decisions. Those who share DNA and lived a similar, dreary life can make different decisions. If DNA was all-powerful, we would not expect these results.

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