As promised then, we're going to try out some House threads, see how they go.

These threads are for people who have been sorted here first. They are for generalised discussions about the role of your house in the books, for discussion of the founders and anything else that you think is relevant to your house.

Please remember the VTM Forums Rules, which are linked in my signature. No one liners, off topic and personal conversations type posts are allowed.

Okay...who's going to start it off then?

After consideration, I think a general overview of house "qualities" is in order. Each house, as shown in Book 1, is listed as having specific traits. Here is an excerpt from Book 1:

Or yet in Wise old Ravenclaw,
If you've a ready mind,
Where those of wit and learning,
Will always find thier kind;

Interesting Ravenclaws are, eh? Luna Lovegood is a Ravenclaw, yet she runs with a few Gryffindors. Other known Ravenclaws; Terry Boot, Mandy Brocklehurst, Cho Chang, One of the Patil twins (Can't remember which )

Let's start the discussion off by discussing the folks that we know are in each house, why you think they are there, and what you have in common with whom. (ie: do you see yourself in any of the Ravenclaws?)

Remember, this thread was put here as a "test" to see if things of this sort will fly. Make your posts well thought out, more than one line, and free from rubbish such as, "Cho is soooo hot. I am happy to be in the same house as her! "..... Let's think outside of the box folks.

Hello and welcome to everyone who visit this room!

I´m very happy with the decision to give it an opportunity to this thread, so I have to try my best.

Luna could look like a dotty girl (mostly because she has some peculiar customs) but that does not interfere with her wit. Foucault had the knowledge of a library mouse and that was no preventing him from having a Harley motorcycle. If you have strange interests that doesn't mean you can’t be smart, inclusive I believe to have an open mind gives you the possibility of acquiring many more knowledge.
I think Luna is in Ravenclaw, because if you are fair you will not put many objections in the aspect of the people and you will concentrate on everything what you can learn from them.
I think that most of the those persons who are more impressively intelligent isolate themselves a little, because they have their minds in some other place all the time. Like how “A beautiful mind” film portrait.

Learning is the key here, thought. For that same reason a good number of Ravenclaws were in Dumbeldore´s Army.

It's funny, I've often joked about not fitting into any of the houses, but if I HAD to pick- I'd stick myself in Ravenclaw---- however I feel that I relate to none of the students that we've met so far

Of the aforementioned students, I think Luna is probably the most obvious Ravenclaw. She shows a passion for knowledge, although it's often hidden by remarks and beliefs in creatures that everyone else find odd.

I don't think it's really been shown that the Ravenclaws are exceptionally bright or studious though. We know that Hermione was almost sorted into Ravenclaw and that she is both bright AND studious--- however other than that, they haven't mentioned about the others being the top of the years, or exceptionally witty, or always studying etc.

Cho seemed pretty silly to me at times, but then there must have been something to her- other than looks one would hope- that she was popular. There's been little reference to the characteristics of Padma Patil (Parvati is in Gryffindor ), so it's hard to know if she is interested in learning.

I guess one thing I found though is that it's never said that Ravenclaws are smart- but that they are witty, are interested in learning and the like.

I also think that with those traits, it might be a little harder than the other houses to spot. I mean, we've seen student's ambition, bravery or loyalty and kindness. But I don't think there's been much show of Ravenclaw's wit.

I've just been sorted into the house I knew all along I would be in... I was living the illusion that I am really a Gryffindor, but there just ain't denying your destiny, hehe.

I think, like you guys said, it's more the quest for knowledge than Hermione's 'books and cleverness'. That's all fine and good, but knowledge is something more abstract, and like you said, Pixymajik, harder to pinpoint. I love to know more about everything - all fields of study interest me. But even more than that, I want to know what makes me and the rest of mankind tick, and that's not something you'll get in books.

As for wit, I wish I was a Brit. (Erm, really guys, no pun intended, I'll get kicked off the witty club before I've even been remotely accepted). I just watched Wallace and Gromit - the Curse of the Were-Rabbit, and I was crying like Luna. The humour was so British, it just made everything twice as funny.

And yeah, there haven't been many cool Ravenclaws that have showed up in Harry's life. I actually laughed when, in the first Apparition lesson, Jo describes some Ravenclaws as squabling over who gets to stand in front. Not the best picture for us, but hey, Luna's still a legend.

Oooh! Yay, the Common Room idea came through!

I think a very common misconception that many poeple, including myslef, make is that Ravenclaws are "intelligent." It never says that directly, but it says that they are "wise" and have "ready minds."

Luna Lovegood might be a prime example. We do know that her mother must have been a good witch, seeing as she died while performing a big experiment. Luna seems to have taken after her father from what we know, as he is the editor of The Quibbler. Luna is a whacky girl...far out. I see her as somewhat of a miniature-Professor Trelawney . Luna is always ready to learn something new, or enlighten somebody else for sure, which is what probably placed her in the Ravenclaw House. Otherwise, she could be a Gryffindor: she is obviously brave, as showin in the Battle at the Department of Mysteries in OotP.

You see, with the exception of Luna, we have not had much insight as readers to the Ravenclaw House members. We know tons of Gryffindors, many Slytherins, and we got to know Cedric very well in GoF. Yeah, we know a little about Cho, but not enough to know why she was put in the Ravenclaw House...

I think that everybody can relate to Luna: the ditzy, outside-the-box thinker who brings a new insight into the book (as well as comic relief). That is what makes her such a likeable character. She pulled through in OotP and has made it into the trio's group of good friends (along with Neville and Ginny, I suppose). I am very interested to see what power she may possess in Book 7...I think she will really pull through and show everybody exactlywhy she was put in Ravenclaw...




_daviD

We have a whole thread just for Ravenclaws now?! Interessante! The concept of how people are sorted in the Harry Potter books has always fascinated me because people seem to frequently be caught between two houses (such as Hermione almost being a Ravenclaw and Harry almost being a Slytherin) and because students sometimes seem to end up in a house that perhaps isn't meant for them (i.e. Wormtail being a Gryffindor).

It's really a shame that we don't know much about most of the Ravenclaws in the books because it makes them hard to define, but what David said to describe Luna I think probably goes for the house in general and explains perhaps why they're hard to pin down:

Hiya

Just to let ya'll know that our wonderful Prefect Just the Droobles has agreed to act as a sort of President of the Ravenclaw House Thread. They'll be in charge of sort of directing the conversation if it get's a little slow or more chat-like than we'd like.

Have fun!

Yay Droobles! Congrats, that's so cool!

I wondered what you guys thought of Cho? I know it's hard to figure out, because we basically know nothing about her, but I thought it was pretty thick of her to bring her friend Marrietta along to the DA, seeing as she really didn't want to be there. It was a risk. She also didn't handle the break up with Harry very 'wisely' either. In fact, if I had to put her in a house, I don't know where she'd fit. Maybe Ravenclaw is the best place for her, but what do you think?

The Ravenclaws are a bit 'off on their own' kind of thing. Or they just aren't the sort of people Harry would naturally draw to, so that's why we don't get to see them so much. Luna just kind of showed up, and there she was. I really like her - she challenges your perspective everytime she opens her mouth. I love it. I also love the way she has absolutely no clue what effect she has on the people around her. I'm not saying she's thick, but it's so refreshing to read about someone who is so totally unconcerned with what other people think of her I'm really curious to see what it is about the whole veil thing, because she, like Harry, also heard the voices...

Hello!

Wow...I come in here and everybody has such brilliant posts. But what was I expecting? We are of course Ravenclaws.

Speaking of our awesome house, I'd just like to say I don't think it is completely brains and super-smarts that outs us in here. It is, as people have said, the willingness to learn and our desire to know as much as we can. Our brains are very important to us. Not saying other houses lack intelligence (maybe except doofs like Crabbe and Goyle) but we really have the compulsion to take lots of things in and use what we learn. I think that's why Hermione was almost sorted here because she has the willingness to learn and she puts what she learns to good use. But, pssh, we don't need her. We are just content with our Luna.

I really like Luna. And I always have. I don't think she's stupid at all. She may be a little on the wacko side, but that doesn't mean she lacks wisdom. In fact, she has a lot of wisdom. I especially like it when she says stuff that makes people like Harry think. If you read back through the fifth and sixth books, you can see these instances. For example, when Luna is talking about people steling her stuff. What she says is very wise, and it even sends Harry on a small guilt trip. And then in the sixth book, she says that ron can be especially mean sometimes. Harry doesn't agree out loud, but it makes him think. And he agrees with her. I think wisdom and smarts are two different things. It's the difference between what you think is right, and what you have been taught. And I think us Ravenclaws have a lot of wisdom in particular.

On the subject of Cho...Bleh. She just...cries too much. She kind of makes everything I said in the last paragraph look stupid (same with Marietta, who I will address shortly). There must be a reason why she was put in this house. But at the moment, I'm not really sure why. Maybe she's a really nice person, but we really didn't get to know her other than Harry's silly fifteen year old boy swooning. And then she was jealous over Hermione. That Madam Pudifoot's was a wreck. I mean, she was always really nice to Harry; she always spoke to him in book 5 (whether her intentions were to chat about Cedric, I dunno) and she always smiled at him after they called it quits. She may be smart. I mean, she did produce a full Patronus in the D.A. Well beyond the Ordinary Wizarding Level. The only other person who got one was Hermione as I can recall. Correct me if I wrong. So her head isn't filled with sawdust.

And Marietta. What a pooper. She really makes what I said about choosing what was right and what you've been taught look stupid. But, on the contrary, she lacks wisdom. She went straight to that smelly toad woman (who my hate has increased for since I read Detention with Dolores last night) and didn't even think of what would be best. She could have benefitted from the D.A. Instead, she got a lovely new mark on her face. Well, put it this way: Now she knows how Harry feels to have something annoying on your head.

And not to mention, Filius Flitwick is head of our house (as I recall ) so that's pretty cool. I would like to learn more about him however. We know a lot about McGonagall, and we have encountered Snape on several occasions (though he is still and enigma) and we have had classes with Sprout and Flitwick. But we still really don't know too much about the fellow do we? Hmm...

Other Ravenclaws we have yet to discuss are Terry Boot, Padma Patil, Susan Bones, Mandy Brocklehurst, and Lisa Turpin. The last two kind of disappeared after the first book...But I guess they might have been important if they we mentioned. I dunno. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of dudes in Ravenclaw, does it?

Hmm, lots of food for thought I guess I'll start with Cho, since she seems to be on everyone's minds. I think, as people have said, that a large part of the problem is that we are only seeing her through the point of view of a fifteen-year-old boy with a crush on her. Clearly, we're only going to see a very shallow side of her because Harry doesn't know her well enough to talk about anything else and is too nervous to learn more. I don't have my book on me, but I believe in OotP she told Harry at one of the DA meetings that she'd never been able to do a stunning spell properly before. Naturally, this makes her look quite ditzy and not very intelligent. We do see her successfully create a corporeal patronus, though, so my inclination is to think that she was downtalking herself to make Harry feel good. If this is true, it is much easier to think that she is smarter than she appears. Another thing to take into consideration is that we do not truly encounter Cho until she has suffered through Cedric's death. I think that we tend to look down on her for crying so much (or at least I know I do ), but to be honest that's quite a burden to carry around. I think it would rattle anyone's way of thinking to go through the death of a significant other, so it's understandable that we don't get a very favorable impression of her.

I think Cedric's death also might explain why Cho clings to Marietta the way she does. Marietta clearly doesn't want to go to the DA meetings, and Cho drags her there so as not to be alone. This, however, only explains Cho's behaviour, not Marietta's. All we know about Marietta is that she ratted on the DA out of fear for her mother's ministry position. Thus, we can say that it's quite probable that she is intelligent/wise and we simply haven't seen it. As for her betrayal, the best I can do right now is compare her to Wormtail. As a Gryffindor, one certainly wouldn't have expected him to betray his friends, and as a Ravenclaw, one would expect Marietta to make a better decision. I think perhaps the Sorting Hat sees in students the potential for each of the houses, but sometimes that potential is not fulfilled because of extreme circumstances. It must be a scary thing to know that you are endangering your mother's job by your actions at school.

Mmm, as for other Ravenclaws... Well I guess we really don't know anything about them I think Susan Bones was a Hufflepuff, though, not a Ravenclaw. Anthony Goldstein is in Ravenclaw, too, though, which brings our total of guys up to two! I'm hoping that in the seventh book we'll see a bit more unity among the houses and be able to get some better insight into the Ravenclaws

Whoops!

Ah, yes, Susan Bones was a Hufflepuff. I had made a list a long time ago, and I had mixed up Terry Boot and Susan bones because I had them switched. My mistake.

Well, thanks for correcting me, and since I agree with a lot of what has been said, I let other clever Ravenclaws comment before I do. My Ravenclaw cleverness might slip again.

Oh, this is great.

I got myself sorted into Ravenclaw a long time ago and I always thought that I would be a Ravenclaw.

I'd like to say that all these posts have been extremly good. David, how true your words are about Luna and about the fact that the 'thinkers' sometimes, or many times, aren't those with the good grades but who think about the way the world works.

Now to Cho, like Meggie said, we only see her through the eyes of Harry. We don't see her as a person without the whole Harry-Cedric-attachement on her. I think she is bright. She also showed great character when Harry asked her out for the ball and she had to say no, but she did it in such a nice way. She's also keeper of the Ravenclaw Quidditch team and has to play against all these boys. (At least I think there are no other female keepers at Hogwarts) This shows us that Ravenclaw is a modern house.

Sadly, I don't know enough about the other persons. However, it seems that there are more girls in Ravenclaw than boys. Or do I have the wrong impression?

Well, I've officially been sorted in Ravenclaw now. I thought that I had in the past, but I couldn't find the post in question so I went through the sorting again to make sure.

On the topic of my favourite house member, I would have to cast my vote for Luna. She's like a sponge, absorbing information and keeping at the ready for whenever it would appear to be related to whatever topic someone may be discussing... Frighteningly enough, I can totally identify with that aspect of her personality, as I am that way too... Her style maybe a little "off the wall", but as I always say "Normal is boring." I especially like the way she can make Harry stop and think about what he is doing, even after he's had his "examination of conscience" with Ron and Hermione and made up his mind. She makes him question his motives and reconsider his plans.

In that respect, I think, Ravenclaws definitely would appear to be sobering influences to the more action driven types and would undoubtedly prove to be valuable allies and advisors.

Cho, in my mind, was not really given much opportunity to develop as a character. Perhaps she was never meant to, and was only meant to be a bit player to give Harry a crush and to bring Marietta to the DA. She does, as it was quite rightly pointed out, shown that she is quite nice, witness to this the gentle way which she turns down Harry. But she's also shown a more flighty side as well, although this may have been the result of still grieving the loss of her former beau, Cedric. It might simply have been too soon for her to engage in romance with Harry....

As for the others, I have to say I have always been quite fond of Professor Flitwick. Always unassuming, but ready to help when help is required.

It is interesting that we've only really seen 2 of the 4 houses throughout the books, and that these mirror the main opposition of the story, namely Harry versus Voldemort. We've never been allowed to see the Ravenclaw common room, have we? Nor the Hufflepuff one, for that matter. I wonder if we will see more of these houses in Book 7?

Where exactly is the Ravenclaw common room?

I really do hope so that we will see more of the Ravenclaws and also the Hufflepuffs in book 7. They all have to be united to fight against the dark lord. Didn't the Sorting Hat say that?

Now I have a question: Is this thread only for discussing real Ravenclaws, like Luna, Marietta and Cho, or can we make up our own traditions and be a real Ravenclaw club? Or will that be too much of a group thing. I don't know. It's just a question.

We're not doing the separate forum and common room thing, laudine. It would be too much like a chatroom or a blog and has way too much potential for one liners, so this thread was created as a compromise.

It should be related to the Ravenclaw house as described and exemplified in the books via characters such as Cho and Luna and so should really stick to discussing the role of Ravenclaw as a whole.

We don't really want it to become a club where anything is up for discussion just for Ravenclaws, no. The model for this thread would be existing clubs like SPELL, which has generated hundreds and hundreds of posts just about Lupin, so when you have a whole house to talk about, I'm sure there's plenty of potential for conversations.

Well, not the Mel did a bad job, (because she didn't) but I am going to post the basics of or cozy little house here.

As everyone should know, our house was founded by Rowena Ravenclaw. On the Famous Wizard cards, it says the she came up with the ever changing floor-plan for Hogwarts, and she was best known for her creativity and intelligence. Now, knowing the crazy floor-plan in Hogwarts, I'd say it took a real brain to get all that figured out. It also says she is from Glen, which may mean somewhere in Scotland.

The head of our house is Professor Filius Flitwick. He is the Charms professor, and he was described by Jo as having a bit of goblin blood in him. Hence why he is short and his voice is squeaky. He's not a very old character, but he doesn't have any lack of power or intelligence. He has a gentle spirit (notice he cried when he heard Ginny was taken by the Chamber of Secrets) and he usually keeps his cool in classes when people make mistakes and blast him across the room. His birthday is October 17 and he was a Dueling Champion when he was young.

The house ghost is the Grey Lady. Upon looking for information in the Grey Lady, and there's not a lot, JKR says that the Grey Lady "is a highly intellectual young woman who never found a true love because she never found a man up to her standards." !

Ravenclaw is represented by an eagle, and the colors are blue (or azure) and bronze. It is a common misconception the colors are blue and silver, as it is Slytherin who has the silver color. Ravenclaw tower, though we have not seen it in the book, is presumed to be in the west tower, as it says in OotP that the students are led to a tower in the west side of the castle. That means Ravenclaw and Gryffindor are the only two houses with a tower.

Not a lot is known about the Ravenclaw Quidditch team, except that they wear blue and Cho was the seeker and Roger Daviess was a chaser. The books never say that Ravenclaw isn't a threat in matches, so I can only assume that the team is pretty decent.

Now, for a complete list of all the Ravenclaws to date--which I must admit, I did not look up this list by myself--all named are listed.
Bradley-->was on the Quidditch team in Harry's 5th year.
Chambers-->same as Bradley, but we don't even know Chambers' gender. Ravenclaw Chaser.
S. Fawcett-->it say's she a she, and she was at the Dueling club.
Penelope Clearwater-->She was Percy's girlfriend, and most likely the same year as he was, and she was a prefect just like him.
Roger Daviess-->He was the Ravenclaw Quidditch captain, and he went to the Yule Ball with Fleur Delacour, so he must have something good about him.
Eddie Carmichael-->I think he's same year as Cho.
Cho Chang-->know most famously as Harry's love interest and Cedric Diggory's girlfriend. She was in the D.A. and was first mentioned in PoA.
Marietta Edgecombe-->The most sneaky Ravenclaw ever who probably had the worst lack of judgement. Most likely same grade as Cho.
Terry Boot-->He was in the D.A. with Harry, and he seems to be interested in Quidditch as it says he checked it out in Quidditch Through the Ages.
Mandy Brocklehurst-->Same year as Harry.
Michael Corner-->He dated Ginny after meeting her in their third year and dated her in the fifth book. He's a bit whiny as he sulked and caused Ginny to dump him because Gryffindor beat Ravenclaw in Quidditch. After that he took up with Cho. He was also brought to the D.A. by Ginny.
Anthony Goldstein-->He is in Harry's year and was a Prefect and a member of the D.A.
Morag McDougal-->Simply listed as a Hogwarts student.
Padma Patil-->She's the twin sister of Parvati and she went to the Yule Ball with Ron, not really as her choice though. She was a member of the D.A. and she was a prefect. She was almost called home by her parents in her sixth year because of Death Eater activity and the sort.
Lisa Tupin-->Just another Ravenclaw in Harry's year.
Luna Lovegood-->Perhaps one of the most intriguing characters out of Ravenclaw, as she is very mysterious and calm and she has beliefs that don't even really have basis. She is in the same year as Ginny, and she was a member of the D.A. and fought with Harry and everyone down in the Department of Mysteries. She can see thestrals like Harry, and her mother has passed on. Her father is the editor of the rather (now) well-known Quibbler magazine, and she is mentioned of living somewhere near Ottery St. Catchpole. Rumors of her dating Neville were squashed pretty easily by Jo.
Stewart Ackerley-->First year in GoF.
Orla Quirke-->Same as Stewart A.

Well, that's all. Now that you should have learned something new, anyone is free to start up a conversation. We are supposed to be pretty clever in here, so I doubt us witty people will be at a loss for words. If no one does come in, by Merlin, I will come in here and start something. So hop to it!!

~Droob

Hello everyone! (sorry I disappeared lately, I was camping and laptops weren´t allowed )Woa such nice posts!!!

Just the Droobles excelent I was thinking to do the same when I saw your post and I read it . Hahaha nevertheless I want to add a few things because I was absent a copuple of days...

Bradley--> Chaser OoP 30. 31
Chambers--> Is a boy OoP 31
S. Fawcett-->
Penelope Clearwater--> CoS 12, 14; PoA 13.
Roger Daviess--> GoF 22, 23; OoP 25, 30
Eddie Carmichael--> He is from the year before Harry OoP 31. I think he has nine "Outstanding" O.W.L.s and he try to sold Baruffio's Brain Elixir to Harry and Ron, but Hermione confiscated it
Cho Chang--> PoA 13; GoF 22; OoP 12, 18, 21, 26, 27, 28, 31
Marietta Edgecombe-->Her mother works in the Department of magical transportation in the Floo Network Office (by the way she was controlling every fire in Hogwarts under Umbridge request).
Terry Boot--> OoP 16, 38.
Mandy Brocklehurst--> PS 7
Michael Corner-->OoP 16, 38
Anthony Goldstein--> OoP 10, 16
Morag McDougal-->
Padma Patil--> GoF 23, 24; OoP 10, 16
Lisa Tupin--> PS 7
Luna Lovegood-->OoP 10, 16, 38
Stewart Ackerley--> GoF 12.
Orla Quirke-->
Marcus Belby --- He appears in HBP 7 as a candidate for the Slug Club
Stephen Cornfoot and Kevin Entwhistle appeared in the "Harry Potter and Me" Tv interview for J.K.Rowling but apparently they just existed as early plans and never show up in the books.

Note: probably I edit this as I take a better look and reread HBP


Laudine, as Droobles points out our common room is on the west tower. JKR talks more about Flitwick in PoA (5?) in that book she told us his office is on the seven floor of the west tower. The Gray Lady appeared in PS 12 and in the first film "she appeared a number of times. She was sitting at a desk in MacGonagall's classroom when Harry, Ron, and Hermione came bursting in, demanding to talk to Dumbledore. She was also talking with Nearly Headless Nick when he told her that Harry had been made a Seeker."

I think everyone (not just in hogwarts) has a little of everything that distinguishes to the four houses, perhaps they are placed in the measurement in which has more strongly established in their personalities some characteristics of one of them. And I totally agree with what Hermione says (in PS 16): "Books! And cleverness! There are more important things... friendship and bravery." after Harry told her that she was a better as witch than he as wizard... so maybe you are place in a house where the others can be better companions for you. Like in the case of Harry, Ron and Hermione; all of them have something in common but they are very different from each other.


Meggie... what you say about Marietta:

I was thinking about the Ravenclaw colours and if there's any significance there---

Slytherin's green is often associated with jealousy- which I think can also be aligned to some extent with ambition (people often aspire because they are jealous of what other people have- or more correctly, what they don't have)

Gryffindor's red is quite the noble-associated colour, align with the idea of chivalry and bravery.

I don't really think that yellow is associated with hard work, although it is a bright, friendly colour.

However blue.....

Blue is my favourite colour, I think it's very calming, however I wouldn't have refered to it as being 'wise', 'thoughtful', or associated with learning? So I wonder why the choice of blue for this house.

The eagle I see as pretty ok for Ravenclaw. For starters, Ravenclaw sound to me birdish (probably the raven part ) when I first heard it.

Eagles also soar which is in line with the 'aim high' type thing for knowledge. Eagles are real leaders as well, so it makes sense that those who work hard and aspire for knowledge would be able to take that and fly

Americans generally associate trust and stability with the color blue. Blue is cold so coolness it’s the most considerable reaction.
Some east cultures considered it a symbol of self-cultivation.
For some Native Americans, blue means intuition and using it to teach and serve.
Blue conveys importance and confidence without being somber or sinister, especially darker blue is associated with stability, unity, and traditionalism. But too much blue could leads to depression. Blue can be Hostile too, so it can be a quiet or an aggressive color.

Bronze is a combination between Gold and Brown. It symbolizes stable success and maturity. It involves gold’s luxury and the natural neutral warm of Brown. It’s supposed to lead to wealth and creativity. But if it’s not part of a good combination can be unfriendly, ´cause as a metal color can be very cutting.

For the colors I could think Ravenclaw has a combination which represents a sharp intuition that associated with creativity, stability and self cultivation make total sense with the argument about being excellent advisors. I think their combination can mean a special point of view that isn´t always very nice.

Eagle soars above us all, sometimes out of sight to us but seeing as much as possible so they are messenger prepare to teach about changes that need to be made. They can fly above difficulties and make their own world in the sky without forgetting where the ground stays.

All those are supositions but I think this last (at least) description fits perfectly with Luna ´cause she can live on the clouds but she has a sharp view and combine wit with her ability to show up in the right place at the right time.

Heya Bendis, hope you had a good camping trip.

I don't think Marietta necessarily feared she would endanger her mom's job. I think since her mom works for the Ministry, they probably believed Harry's stories were all hogwash because Cornelius Fudge was being a total snooty old guy. and since Mrs. Edgecombe was right there in the forefront monitoring things at Hogwarts, I think she was probably one of the Ministry people who thought Harry was full of it. So it makes sense that Marietta would think that as well. Just look at Seamus. His mum thought it, and so did he for a bit, but after having a couple of rows with Harry and being around him, he came to his senses. So I think Marietta just thought that because those were her parents beliefs.

About Cho not making any assumptions or not believeing certain things, she did make an extremely wrong assumption about Harry and Hermione, which was actually the killer for the relationship. I don't know if that is considered gossip, but it was still a rather foolish thought. At least Krum had the nerves to ask Harry the truth and believe what her said.

Ah, what great comments about house colors. All are very true, and I don't really think I can elaborate on any of it. Our brains are working! But to add on the eagle actually, they are very intelligent creatures, not just flying high and stuff, but they are pretty smart birds. Lots of symbolism can go along with the eagle, but I don't really fell like going into all of it. You all did a good enough job.

Droob

(Thanks Drobb! Indeed it was a very relaxing trip. I enjoy it lots)

Hahaha yeah Droobles, Cho misunderstood the whole Harry - Hermione relationship.
But I think that was because she can´t share much time with Harry and seeing this other beautiful girl close to him make her feel jealous. Although the best thing had been she had spoken more openly with Harry bringing over conversation not only her worries about Hermione but her feelings about Cedric's death (especially because this was a difficult event for Harry also). But I think she restrain herself ´cause she doesn´t want to overwhelm him moreover and she just make it all worse.

I was reading a message of Capricorn in another thread and I think it could be very interesting, as she says. So she gave me the idea that we can disscuss why our house is needed in Hogwarts. In other words:

What do you think is the role of our house in Hogwarts?
Which is our function in the develops of the school?
What have we discovered from the interaction of our house with the others?


See ya! I hope you post lots of ideas!

Some good questions, Di!

Yeah, I was wondering how Jo decided to split personalities into these four types, cause it makes a lot of sense.

Wisdom and Wit
Bravery and Noblility of Spirit
Friendship and Loyalty
Ambition and Cunning

If one person had all these traits, they'd be perfectly balanced, I say. So where does Ravenclaw fit in? It's hard for me to say exactly what the worth of wit, wisdom, learning etc is - for me they are things that should be preserved and nourished simply for the sake of preserving them. I cannot imagine a world without these things, so I can't say how things would be without it. It's like asking the question - why know stuff?

I don't know - I just want to. Where would we be without knowledge - in caves, eating raw animal meat and wild berries? Interestingly, I get the idea that Gryffindor and Hufflepuff are quite close - the search for something more, however, makes Ravenclaw similar to Slytherin in a way - they look for opportunity and we look for knowledge. We are more entrepreneurial in a way - just with different things. We're constantly wanting to move forward, whereas that isn't Gryffindors' and Hufflepuffs' first motivation.

I don't have time now for more, I'll come back later...

Laurette

Looking at the Houses, I was always reminded of the "alignments" in the old Dungeons & Dragons game setting. In my mind, they form part of a "wheel", each house bringing something to the mix. To me, Gryffindor and Slytherin are opposed, one valuing nobiity and bravery, the other Cunning and ambition. They are rather like two sides of a coin in terms of outlook on life. Hufflepuff and our venerable house, Ravenclaw, also make up 2 sides of a coin, but more along the lines of ways to approach things or in terms of perspective; Hufflepuff valuing friendship and loyalty to ones friends, whereas Ravenclaw would favour wisdom and wit.

As was pointed out, it could be that each student at Hogwarts has in them a little of all of the values upon which the Houses were founded, albeit in different measures. Clearly, Ravenclaw is the House where wisdom, knowledge and the quest for them both is valued above all else. Interestingly, the amount ambition, sunning, bravery and nobility, values of Slytherin and Gryffindor respectively, found in each of our housemates could push them on the side of Good or on the side of Evil, for while knowledge itself is neutral, how that knowledge is used makes all the difference...

Did that make any sort of sense to anyone but me?

Yes you did make sense Omerus, each House bears their own distinctions, relates to one another in comparison of outlook and perspective and lastly everyone may bear a variety of the classic characteristics the Houses prize.

I think Ravenclaw House values wit, wisdom and knowledge because we view our ability to learn about the world as a privilege that shouldn't be taken lightly. Knowledge does make all the difference as it provides a platform or setting for us to consider our choices and the consequences. Yet, are all Ravenclaws truly aspiring to learn about magic for the sake of the intellectual frontier? Or is it essential for most to have a structured purpose in mind prior to solving a problem and to ponder whether a question can be feasibly be adventured upon? Or better (or worse depending on opinion) do some Ravenclaws aspire for knowledge and wisdom for a goal be it ambitious, charitable or even noble?

It seems to me Ravenclaw House reserves the function to aid the curriculum to become broader, sharper and evolve progressively; thus showing an example to the fellow Houses and hopefully improving the status quo knowledge about Wizardry.

Bendis, it's interesting that you would mention that Ron has frequently proven that he would also do well in Hufflepuff and Hermione has proven herself for Ravenclaw because I was just thinking the same about Hermione. Clearly, she is incredibly bright and even the other students have shown surprise that she was sorted into Gryffindor instead of Ravenclaw. This made me wonder if perhaps the sorting is more based upon what one values than the qualities one actually has at times. Hermione is smart, and school/intelligence are important to her, but she even goes so far as to tell Harry that there are more important things than books and cleverness (something along the lines of friendship/bravery/loyalty, but I can't remember the exact quote lol). I imagine that much of the time students value the qualities they possess the most of, so this would be hard to pinpoint, but it's interesting to think about.

Hi, all my Ravenclaw fellows!... I didn't know I would fit in Ravenclaw, I thought I'd be Gryffindor, but I'm proud and happy to be Ravenclaw!...

I can say this about the Ron (H) and Hermione ( R ) things:...
See it as the balance between the houses. Never forget that Harry was almost a (S)...
Hermione is clever (a lot), but she has other priorities, and those were the cause of why she's on (G)...
Same with Ron, she has the values to be in (H), but he has also the (G)'s stuff to deserve to be in there...
At last, but no least, we have Harry. As we all know, he was on the fronteer of (S) and (G), but he didn't want to be in Slytherin. In that case, he moved his opinion and desire...
I think that more than our abilities, our own decitions are the decisive factor in the house selection...

For example, I knew that I could fit into any of the houses, except for Slytherin. I have a bit proud on myself, as I said in The Sorting Hat, but it sinks under my other characteristics...
All depends of our priorities, attitudes and decitions...

About the opinions of the eagles, I have something you may like:...
The Regeneration
Eagles are very wise and strong animals, either way you want to see them. When they reach some age (6 years, I think, don't remember exactly) their tip, claws and wings are very old, and they become useless...
They put themselves under a regeneration process, very hard and painful...
First of all, they travel to the highest mountains, to be alone...
Then, they smash their tip with the mountain (stones) until it brakes or falls from them (very painful, really)...
When a new tip grows up, they take off their claws with the new tip; and again, they wait until new claws appear...
Finally, and most painful in my opinion, with the new claws they scratch their wings until all the feathers are off...
When they have their new wings, the regeneration process is finished and they can return to his home, ready to live another 3 years...
The regeneration process of eagles longs like around 6 months...
(NOTE: I'm not really sure about the numbers, but all informatoin is correct...)

The eagle exactly represents the basis of the wisdom and intelligence.
Wisdom and intelligence are normally confused with Full-Knowledge, and this is wrong. They consist in knowledge, but part of that wisdom is to be renewing our knowledge. For example, I live in the year 1950 and I know absolutely all, when 2000 arives, my knowledge will be out-of-date and will be (specially cientific ones) useless; then I'll have to renew it. That's wisdom and intelligence...

About our characters now:...
Cho Chang - I completely understand a girl (or any person, wheter male or female) cry. But also someone must know WHEN TO STOP, and that's a quality that Cho lacks...
When you exceed on something, whatever it is, it will hurt you. If you exceed drinking water, you'll get sick; same with food. If you exceed crying, you may hurt yourself making the people don't want to be with you. Happy people likes happy people. They may try to help you, but at final they must turn apart because YOU don't want to change...
I fully understand, also, the feelings she had (has) about Cedric (I would be the same), but if she's now coming out with Harry, she must RENEW herself to the new relationship, you must now get stopped in the past. You must forget the past, to have a future (Ice Age 2 Sid's phrase). And here I take that awesome movie. Manny doesn't want to be with Ellie (I love Ellie too) because he already has had a family, and he feels he would be betraying them by having a new one. But if you want to go on with the life, you must forget the past and keep going ahead, not sinking in the past...

Now Luna Lovegood, my love - She's exactly as me, and also as the girls I like. On me, because I never let the people's opinion control my life. I have fought with the gender stereotypes; I've done all the things I can do to get fun; if other people thinks it weird, well, too bad for them, I'm happy with myself; and that's kind of Luna's character. She decided how to be, and no one will change her, and that's the strenght all people must have to do the things they want, not letting be controled by the other people's opinion...
She's a very cute, nice character. She may be a little bit crazy, but we all need to be it. Everyone told Edison the electrical light bulb was a madness, and here we are using it. Also, IT'S A MAGIC WORLD, the magic challenges the reason and the logic. Why can't the Snorcacks or the Gulping Plimpies exist? We've seen such wonderful and amazing things on Jo's world, and we cannot allow Luna a bit more madness?...
Also, she's not weak, she showed her force while being on the battle inside the Ministry of Magic. Everything you can learn, as someone has already said, can become useful at anytime; it's just matter of time while you discover how it will be useful for you...
She's no afraid of expose her ideas, and that's exaclty what some people lack, and that way we can lose very great opportunities; it's all matter of your point of view: "run the risk or not". And that includes some kind of bravery, isn't it?...
For example, and I excuse myself if this changes the theme a bit, if you saw the Ice Age 2 Movie, we can see Luna there as well. She's Ellie. She's crazy, maybe bit out-of mind, but she's still cute and a good mammut (person). Exactly as Luna is...
And there is where the atractive of Luna is...

Ever~

EDIT: By the way, we are 65 Ravenclaws in total...

Hello, my name is Dupin and I am a new Ravenclaw. I don't understand what's going on in this thread, although I am a true HP fan. I also like aSoUE as well, if anyone wants to chat to me about that. I come from New Zealand, so if there's anything you want to know about Aotearoa say here. A lot of people have seem interested really. And if you have MSN, please PM me you hotmail/msn addresses because I would be happy to speak to you anytime.

Hey Dupin and welcome to both the forum as well as the Ravenclaw common House Can I please ask you to read through the forum rules- the link is in my signature as well as- AT LEAST- the initial posts made in this thread. They will clue you in as to the purpose of this thread and hopefully avoid you making any more mistakes- such as chatting

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Otherwise feel free to PM either myself or another moderator if there are any questions.

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Hi, I'm kool kat, I'm a Ravenclaw (I was sorted a very long time ago). What I think makes Ravenclaws interesting is that there isn't a certain stereotype of how they act. They're smart, intelligent, and deep, sure, but we've seen how different Ravenclaws can be from each other. Cho and Luna, for example, completely different. And there's no set path for Ravenclaws, they can beleive in Voldemort, the Ministry, Harry, the house of Ravenclaw isn't stereotyped as being "good" or "evil" as Gryffindor(good), Hufflepuff(good), and Slytherin(evil) is. I think it's the most interesting and mysterious house..

Hi, kool kat!...

I liked some points about what you said... ^^

Something we've mentioned in here is about the different people that have gone to this honorable (sp?) house. But, as 'kool kat' says, this house doesn't have a clear stereotype of how they are or must be...

I think that the best argument of 'kat' is when she says about:...

Kats completely right, we are steryotype free. steryotype's are stupid ayway. What's really annoying is that Ravenclay isn't mentioned all that much in the books. We aren't all that sure exactly HOW good Ravenclaw is at Quidditch, but atleast we know of more Ravenclaw members than Hufflepuff members. It would be nice to see Ravenclaw play more of a part in the next book.

You're right we haven't seen much of the Ravenclaw team, but they have always been a bit of a threat haven't they? I can't remember, and I don't have the PoA book here next to me, so I can't look that up. They did play Ravenclaw it PoA if I am remembering right. So however they did in that, that's probably the basis of how good our team is.

Ravenclaw really is kind of free from stereotypes. I mean, we've got Cho, who is totally whiny and she supported Harry and Dumbledore. Then we've got Marietta, who didn't support Dumbledore (I think) since her mum worked at the Ministry and she's a sneak. Then we have Luna, who is a little crazy, incredibly wise, and her dad writes for the Quibbler. So that's a pretty good spectrum of people. Ravenclaws have always been nice and all, but there's some sort of mystery to them that makes them so appealing. Our name does have Raven in it...which can actually be associated with death...

EDIT: Well, since no one has posted after me, I'm going to have to add an edit. I was doing some serious interview research today, and I found this.

I'm pretty sure she means that Ravenclaw will become more featured, and important at some point. That we will find out more about them. I think one of the most interesting things about Ravenclaw is the bit of mystery surronding them.I mean, when I think of Gryffindor I think of nice, good, brave, when I think of Slytherin I think cunnng, evil, sneaky, Hufflepuff loyal friendly, kind, but Ravenclaw....smart is all that I can really stereotype. There's just some kind of mysteriousness about who they are.

Hello. I've just been sorted into the wonderful house of Ravenclaw! I've never been sure whether I was a Gryffindor or a Ravenclaw, and I guess now I know.

Luna Lovegood: one of my favorite characters! I absolutely <3 Miss Lovegood. She dares to be different, which is pretty refreshing.

Cho Chang: I kinda look like her, except she's prettier and more of a drama queen. I honestly don't know why she's in Ravenclaw sometimes, as she comes to mind as a sort of materialistic person. Not once in the books have I seen her "thirsty for knowledge." Hey, but I've got a theory. J.K. Rowling must have put her in Ravenclaw for a reason, so maybe she'll do something Ravenclaw-ish in the 7th book?

First of all:hi, guys! I've been sorted here for a month or two now, but I haven't been posting in this thread, which is about to change.

now I checked PoA and it looks like we are good in quiddich indeed. First there's a conversation between Fred and George after Gryffindor lose from Hufflepuff where they do some sort of schemes to see whether they could win the cup and one of them at some point says 'No way, Ravenclaw are too good...' or something. However Ravenclaw lose their games against Slitheryn(with little difference) and against Gryffindor, but are a strong opponent.

As for the stereotypes thing - I've always been against , I keep saying - 'oh, what a cliche, I hate that' etc. And I lke the idea of Ravenclaw being an alternative to the cliche Gryffindor - the brave, smart and bold heroes that we can read about in every book. Ravenclaws, being some sort of geniuses, are a bit strange, a bit mad(you know what they say - every graet man is a little crazy). And crazy - I like.
And the mystery hint I believe has something to do with the blue colour( especially because in our case it's dark blue). The fact that JK hasn't revealed a lot of Ravenclaws' lives and characters plus the dark blue as a leading colour - and there's the mistery.

So I say yes to the intellect, extravagance and enigma of us, proud members of the house of Racenclaw

Why is our House thread so low? Got some intellectual slackers in here, eh?

So maybe I should give something to talk about...Well, what sort of role do you think Luna will play in the next book as our best Ravenclaw right in the mix with the Trio and Neville and Ginny? She is the only non-Gryffindor in the bunch. She should feel special. Do you think she'll be helping out at Hogwarts or do you think she'll be any help to Harry or any of the others? Opinions? Ideas?

Well, about your question, a bit crazy, these are my guesses:...

In my opinion, Luna Lovegood was placed not to fight against the Death Eaters in the Ministry of Magic, she has a stronger role in the books...

We haven't seen her full strength (sp?) in the books, except when we softly know she fights against the Death Eaters in the 5th book...

As far as we know, Luna has a very open mind. If someone of you haven't noticed yet, she is the one who makes Harry think...

She make her 'honest commentaries' or her 'crazy opinions' and makes Harry's imagination fly... Isn't it?...

Luna is like the 'a-bit-insane' guide of Harry...

My guess is that they must return to the Department of Misteries, and there, maybe, Luna's thoughts (sp?) will become real...

What if all what Luna has thought and imagined will become real in the Department of Misteries once they're in?...

Dumbledore said once that in the room Harry couldn't open was the power that Voldemort hasn't and Harry has (or something like that he said, in 5th book)...

What if Harry wants, or must, return there to understand the power he has. He has the power of love, as we already know, but he's still far from understand it, only when Dumbledore taught him about Voldemort and the memories he did let his mind be creative a while, but he hasn't yet understood the real and powerful abilities the love has...

Then, maybe they must get to the Ministry of Magic to reveal that secret power and be able to control it (or use it) against Voldemort...

So, when they arrive there they will have to cross new rooms and avoid many wonderful or new misteries. And then is when Luna's imagination can get a real role within the history...

Now, if Harry does actually have to go to the Department of Misteries again, I can have for sure he will think of taking Luna with him. She has a good and great imagination and that's what someone working at a Misteries Office should have, and maybe some of the things she imagines may become real or possible...

That's what I think...

Ever~

Ohhh dear! I´m so sorry I couldn´t come by before... too much homework (I kinda look like Lupin right now... with that big rings under my eyes...)

Joy and Candy_cauldron welcome to this thread, I´m really glad you´re interested to debate about our house!

I don´t know too much about Quidditch, I´m a complete muggle about it... hahaha. Although I´ll enjoy tons been a keeper.

Ya know Droob? I think Kool kat is right about what Rowling meant with "Ravenclaw 'Will get their day, if you know what I mean!'". I really hope we can know more about Ravenclaw house.
Definitely by J.K´s words I´m thinking we´re going to do something extremely important... and probably Luna is going to be the one who promote it.

I, totally, totally agree with Ever. Luna really strong and her cualities are useful all the time... I mean is absolutely awesome the way in which one she always may Harry think about many matters he have never consider before. Her commentaries are honest, direct and constructive.
Luna is great because all of them say she has that look like she doesn´t really know where she is... but she´s always in the right place... when somebody needs her she´s there; if someone feels lonely o need advise or needs an alternative for work out something.
And about Ginny and Neville with her... I think she can get along with anybody. And in this case, she can understand both of their feelings and points of view. Luna had lived hard times like Neville and she prove that because she´s a girl it doesn´t mean that she can´t take care of herself, in fact she has a great sense of adventure, just like Ginny I think.

I try to come by for a deepest post in this days...

Hello fellow Ravenclaws!

With Quidditch,
in the first book-Harry is unconcience(sp?)when the match is on so we don't hear about it.
in the second book-the match is cancelled because of Penelope and Hermione being petrified. (Ones a Ravenclaw other a Gryffindor)
in the third book-finally we play against Gryffindor and lose.

To Jo we must't be that important when it comes to us playing Quidditch.

Luna will have to play an important part in the next book, Luna will show us why Ravenclaw was included and give us more insight to our 'wit and learning'!

Caity

Hey, i haven't noticed this thread before so i thought that i would come by and say hi to my fellow Ravenclawers

I personally think that Ravenclaw is one of the best houses to be sorted into. We are quite good in Quidditch (as fred said) and are very clever in learning (which will also house points off some teachers )

Luna will play quite a big part as she helped out at the minstery and was part of the DA so jk couldn't just drop her out of the story line just like that. Plus, she is a very liked character and will some day show what Ravenclaws are really like

I'm SO going to get slammed for this BUT... In very basic terms I find that Gryffindor are all brave spunky hero types, and Slytherin are all baddies (their nemeses'), as far as Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw goes they're the inbetweenies aren't they?
I wonder how many Death Eaters were in Slytherin? If we go on family heritage, then we could assume Crabb & Goyles Dad's were proberbly in Slytherin, as house placements seems to run in families.
However. If that's the case and all evil wizards start out in Slytherin house, then surely it should be shut down, to minimise the risk??? Am i making sense? (Why put kids together who are likely to feed off each others darker side?) The houses all have to cross over to some extent to cover the risks of creating factions within the school.
It's more likely that Ravenclaw & Hufflepuff would cover a wider range of talent/ability/thinking.... theres lots of average achievers out there.
Luna does seem to be a bit of a strange charactor, a free thinker, but mainly she isn't bothered by fashion and other peer pressures, she's her own person. She reminds me a lot of me at school, In as much as I was class advocate, always sticking up for peoples rights, and never bothered about fitting in with the in-crowd. We had our own group "The Odd Squad" and were proud of it.
Intelligence and Knowledge are great but only if you have the brains and personality to use them without trampling over other peoples views and beliefs.
"Or yet in Wise old Ravenclaw,
If you've a ready mind,
Where those of wit and learning,
Will always find their kind;"
I think thats basically what it boils down to.
I also agree with the comment about there being a lot of Ravenclaws in Dumbledore's Army.
I think Hermione went into Gryffindor House for the role she will play in later books, where her ("brightest witch in her year") characteristics will obviously shine through to the full. She really doesn't have very good people skills.... and is a bit of a show off in the first few books. A Ravenclaw would be more tactful and approachable.
Anyway thats just my 2 cents worth, please don't slate me.
Esther

Does anyone know how I can get detention with Snape

Ok Ravenclaws, put this in your signatures

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MOD EDIT- as refered to with the other pictures. Please link pictures in the future instead of posting them directly on the site

can you make the ravenclaw image a little smaller... as you can see its a bit on the large size for a signature. thanks

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Albus_Dumbledore- Please read through the forum rules- the link is in my signature- as one-liners are not allowed. Please elaborate in your posts. I've also PMed you regarding your own signature.

I'd also like to remind people that IF YOU CHOOSE to use this as part of your signature (and NOONE is making you), you will be significantly restricted in other pictures that your signature can contain, as the rules CLEARLY state that signature pictures are to be no more than 150X400. Just a thought to keep in mind.

I'm keeping my signature. What can I say, I went through a lot to get that birthday party napkin scanned and colour corrected to match the original...

And the looks I got when I walked into that party uninvited...

Hello. I usually get sorted into a Gryffindor on most sites, although on this site, I am so glad that I got made a Ravenclaw, because I have been seeing a lot of red these days.